Transcript

AJ (02:16.142)
Hey everyone, welcome once again to podcast in depth, the weekly podcast where we discuss the in depth series of books by JD Rob. I am AJ.

Tara (02:25.971)
I’m Tara.

AJ (02:27.574)
And this is episode 288 of Podcast in Death.

Tara (02:32.263)
Whoa.

AJ (02:33.248)
Yeah, that’s, it’s a lot. We’re almost at 300. That’s, that’s insanity. That is a lot of episodes. I feel for these people that start at the beginning. I’m not going to get to your current episode for another year. So, and you know, it is what it is anyway. So in this episode of podcasts and death, we are going to be reviewing, dark in death.

Tara (02:36.044)
a lot of episodes.

Tara (02:45.51)
I know.

Tara (02:50.471)
Like, no.

Tara (03:03.623)
Okay, that’s it. Yes.

AJ (03:06.58)
And so this very clearly is kind of, don’t want to say a love letter because it’s definitely not a love letter from Nora to her fans, but it is some kind of letter. It’s a warning. It’s a warning letter to her fans. Like, do not be like this person.

Tara (03:24.345)
It is amazing.

Tara (03:33.843)
It’s like, it’s so great. I had like, there were just things that I was like, Nora.

AJ (03:36.415)
I-

Yeah.

AJ (03:46.284)
Well, yeah, when they were reading the letters, we’ll get to that part, but when even Roarke were reading the email, I’m like, this, these things are coming directly from Nora’s email. Directly. Yeah. Yeah. I would also not be surprised if she had at least one person actually in mind when she wrote, the killer here. And I can’t, of course I can’t remember Strongbow.

Tara (03:51.655)
Yeah.

Tara (03:57.844)
Oh, absolutely. You know, so.

Tara (04:16.583)
Yo, yeah?

AJ (04:20.022)
I would not be surprised if some specific person…

Tara (04:22.253)
because you know she’s probably received… Yeah, someone being like, you stole my ideas. It’s… Or just… A psychopath? Yeah. It was… For me, was the… The conversations that even work were having from the letters that were like, you need to reveal your ghostwriter.

AJ (04:31.424)
Or just being, or just being obsessive in general or a psychopath. Yeah.

AJ (04:50.124)
Ghostwriter.

Tara (04:51.731)
You

I was like, Nora.

AJ (04:57.352)
So those accusations have been going on for a long time because this was this was released in 2018. I looked that up specifically, Nora, I was going to call you, Nora. I looked that up specifically, Tara. You know why? Because there is a review that accuses Nora of kind of stealing an idea from Castle.

Tara (05:03.186)
Yeah.

Tara (05:12.179)
Ha

AJ (05:29.074)
And they were saying the very first episode, the episode that the whole premise of Castle was based on, was Castle coming in and saying, hey, I think these murders are based on my books.

Tara (05:43.783)
Yes.

AJ (05:44.494)
And I said, when was that episode? So I went and looked it up and it was like 2008 or something. Maybe even earlier, 2006. can’t remember, but it was like 2006, 2008, somewhere around.

AJ (06:07.544)
So.

Tara (06:07.795)
I don’t want to take anything away from Nora, but the idea of a murderer copying a book is actually not something, my god, no one would ever think of that.

AJ (06:22.858)
Right. And I mean, we had not from a book, but we did have imitation, which had somebody copying other serial murders. So the idea of a murderer copying somebody else, yeah, has already been done in the series. But specifically a writer, somebody copying a writer’s work. And yeah, but I agree with you, it’s not that far fetched that

Tara (06:32.049)
Mm-hmm.

AJ (06:53.568)
you know, it’s like a totally

you know, an idea that’s totally not… what am I trying to say? this is totally like, new idea that nobody’s ever heard of before Castle.

Tara (07:10.641)
Yeah, it was definitely like.

I mean also Castle like all of the shows all of the books out there like our series out there that are like that have that are mystery coded almost every writer every creative creator in that genre is playing homage to Older like you know older tropes and older stories and you I mean Nora’s done it before with strangers

AJ (07:25.368)
Mm-hmm.

Tara (07:41.715)
you know, and the allusion back to Strangers on a Train. You know, they…

AJ (07:42.807)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Tara (07:50.546)
Like that’s that’s part of like, I feel like what happens when you’re putting together. You know, when you’re putting together these these crime novels or whatever, however you want to categorize these. But again, I feel like the idea of a serial killer trying to fit within a let’s. You know, within within retelling of of novels like they did on Castle.

AJ (07:57.603)
Yeah.

Tara (08:19.921)
I don’t think that’s…

I don’t know.

Like, know, I don’t, there’s no part of me that’s like, well, she stole it from Castle. Because also, I would bet that there were, that there was probably some mystery novel or some book in a way older book series from maybe the 70s or 80s in which that same premise probably existed. Like, I would not be at all surprised to find out that there was some mystery writer from 1983 that was like,

I’m writing this this book and my killer is copying books copying murders from novels or copying Agatha Christie or something, you know, like that’s not I don’t know.

AJ (09:04.14)
Yeah. I’m surprised that there hasn’t been a, a Sherlock Holmes based story like that of like, you know, killer basing murders on a, on, on Sherlock Holmes books. But, I’m asking chat to PT right now and it’s looking it’s by the way, I should say.

Tara (09:19.483)
I mean, they’re probably, yeah.

Tara (09:26.034)
Yeah.

AJ (09:34.19)
We’re not even like into the book yet. chat GPT has come out with a new version chat GPT 5.2. And, I used it to update the in-depth series research GPT that I created, which everyone can go and find and use if they would like. Just it’s called a in-depth series research.

Tara (09:37.235)
It’s fine. It’s fine.

AJ (10:04.054)
something anyway, go to chat GPT and look for that. and this new version of chat GPT, makes it so much more accurate in information. Yeah. Because prior to that, and even like a couple of weeks or months prior to this, it was pretty accurate, but it would still like sometimes make shit up.

Tara (10:17.895)
Really?

AJ (10:33.46)
I’d like see a reference and I go like, really? Cause that doesn’t sound correct. And I would go and look and sure enough, it’s not correct. So, you know, it.

AJ (10:49.742)
But the newer version is very accurate. One of the reasons why I looked at it was because I got a message from Kathy Wiley, who’s been on my show a couple of times.

Tara (11:09.619)
Yeah.

AJ (11:10.818)
And she said that she wanted to put a character name from the Indus series in her newest book. And she was having a hard time finding one. She wanted it to specifically be someone who is a singer. And she said she looked, she used the research tool that I had created and was giving her names that weren’t accurate. she, so she was like, do you know?

Can you give me some names? And so that’s why I went in and looked and I updated it to this newer model and I asked the exact same question of it with the newer model. And it right away came up with, you know, a bunch of names that were completely accurate to characters in the book that were singers. So.

AJ (12:03.218)
so chat GPT, let’s look at what, cause sometimes you have to actually.

Tara (12:05.939)
What is chat sheepy telling you?

AJ (12:14.274)
go and look at what it’s referencing. Right?

Tara (12:22.087)
Mm-hmm.

AJ (12:23.092)
And also, I need to know what the… published dates are for these.

AJ (12:32.364)
I mean, I would really like to know. So it’s it’s giving me an author, Peter Swanson.

and it is saying, eight perfect murders, a book seller’s old list of perfect murders from classic mystery novels starts coming true in real life.

I don’t know what…

AJ (13:01.558)
I’m telling it to give me the published date.

AJ (13:11.054)
So we know what the published dates are. Then it’s saying the witch hunter from author Max Seek. Investigators suspect someone is copying the murder scenes from the bestselling novel trilogy.

Eight Perfect Murders from 2020. The Witch Hunter by Max Seek is from 2020. There’s another murder. Dark Design. Nancy Meal features a string of killings described as murder based murders based on novels. That Hey, Nancy, this particular book, the books

in question are the dark books. Deanna Dark books. Dark something, right? She mentioned a bunch of different books. So this person writes the exact same thing and names it Dark Design.

Tara (14:06.887)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

AJ (14:15.552)
I mean, I’m not saying she is, you know. Let’s see. The TV series Bones had a episode where bodies appear eerily similar to victims in Brennan’s just published novel.

Tara (14:16.509)
That’s funny.

Tara (14:21.105)
No.

AJ (14:37.942)
That’s from 2007. So that happened prior to CASEL.

Tara (14:38.899)
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, Bones was around before Castle.

AJ (14:46.158)
Garage Sale Mysteries. That’s a TV movie from 2016. The novel murders, a killer patterns murders after classic mystery novels.

Murder by the Book is a film where a psychopath commits serial murders that seem straight out of mystery novels written by a popular author. So it’s actually a common trope.

Murder by the Book happened in or was made in 2017. So it looks like the earliest one is the Bones episode. I’m sure there are earlier ones that it didn’t give me. But yeah, the Bones episode came before Castle.

Tara (15:30.119)
Yeah, probably.

AJ (20:58.126)
Anyway, what we were talking about, this is a, so this seems like a pretty standard trope.

Tara (21:03.601)
This is a trope.

AJ (21:07.438)
Yeah, Castle for season one, episode one originally aired in March of, March 9 of 2009. So that was even two years after the Bones episode came out.

So.

Castle wasn’t the first one to think of that.

Tara (21:30.097)
Yeah, Castle wasn’t the first.

AJ (21:33.782)
So there you go. Anyway, so yeah, this is Nora basically. I don’t know if you would say.

clapping back at her, some of her fans or some of her more obsessive people that have communicated with her or just giving them a little warning or just trying, or maybe it was just something that was therapeutic for her. Like I have got to, you know.

Tara (22:06.653)
I have to say something. Yeah.

AJ (22:09.07)
I’d have to say something. Yeah. Not that she hasn’t said stuff on her website, on her forum, on her Facebook page. mean, she said plenty on those places too, but this was probably somewhat of a fun thing for Nora to be able to make a character out of a conglomerate of all of these…

Tara (22:13.203)
I mean, she’s right.

Right? Mm-hmm.

AJ (22:38.274)
different people that have obsessed in a bad way about her writing and make them the bad guy in the story. I mean, I would have had fun with that if I was her. Yeah.

Tara (22:44.306)
Yeah.

Tara (22:49.383)
Yeah, I was loving it. yeah, I was loving it. I was like, yes, go off. Like, as I like, she absolutely go off, Nora. I mean, at the end of the day, like, and we say it all the time on Review the Reviews and we do, we just say it all the time. you don’t, what?

AJ (22:56.27)
Go off, Nora.

Tara (23:15.993)
What in the world gives you that like authority to try to tell a writer what they should be doing? Really, you know, like, you don’t like Nora is not forcing you to read her stuff. Like it’s great stuff. That’s why you read it, not because Nora was like, you have to read my books, you know, it doesn’t fucking matter to her. Someone’s going to read it. You know, she’s.

AJ (23:25.494)
Yeah.

AJ (23:31.403)
Right.

AJ (23:43.084)
Yeah.

Tara (23:45.748)
And that’s when people will be like, oh, Nora, you’re like, you’re not even playing to your to your audience. You don’t you don’t you don’t appreciate your fans. People say things like that. was like, she doesn’t give a fuck because some of her fans are going to love it no matter what. It does not matter. She doesn’t like showing she’s out in the world being like, well, I like I have to please everyone. No one can do that. So I just yeah.

AJ (23:58.702)
Ha

AJ (24:09.932)
Yeah. Yeah.

Tara (24:13.713)
Yeah, the woman has been writing for decades. She does not care.

Tara (36:05.277)
Yeah.

So we were just, yeah, we were still just chatting about how awesome it is that Nora can just say what the fuck she wants and actually put it in her book and how she does not care if you think she should be doing such and such.

AJ (36:11.61)
Yeah.

AJ (36:16.349)
hahahaha

AJ (36:22.54)
Right, exactly. And she doesn’t give a fuck. She would never have written this book. She does not give a fuck. Again, good for her, you know what? She’s Nora, she can do what she wants.

Tara (36:32.915)
You know what? Good for her. Right? I wish, like I wish I could be like Nora, man. Just… I don’t give a fuck.

AJ (36:42.574)
I know, just not give a fuck. Actually, you don’t give a fuck.

And how I know this is because we did an episode, the episode where we did the, the episode where we talked about McNabb’s clothing and we said something, he was wearing a, like a, a jumpsuit in one. And you were saying that you own jumpsuits too, and they’re very comfortable. And I said, did, and I said,

Tara (37:06.683)
Yes.

Tara (37:11.466)
yes.

AJ (37:14.122)
Our jumps, the jumpsuits have come back in or did they ever go away? And you said, doesn’t matter. I don’t give a fuck. I just do what I want. And so one of our listeners mentioned that like, you know, Tara saying I just do whatever the fuck I want.

Tara (37:23.377)
Yeah, I just…

Tara (37:33.745)
I do. I mean, you know, I do what the fuck I want without hurting people. Just making sure that everyone knows that. Right? She’s writing a book.

AJ (37:38.328)
There you go. But you know what? Nora’s not hurting anyone here. Unless you were an asshole that made comments like this and see yourself in this character. And if that’s you, then that’s on you. That’s not a Nora problem. That is not a Nora problem. So it is not. So let’s quit, because this is turning out to be a long episode.

Tara (37:51.292)
Yeah, that’s a you problem. That is not an aura problem.

AJ (38:06.09)
And it’s already, we haven’t even started talking about the book yet. So, so theme. And for me, I feel like the theme in this one is being unseen and wanting to be seen or being somebody who is unseen that wants to be seen. You know what saying?

Tara (38:07.475)
talking about the fucking book. We’re amazing. Okay. We’re great.

Tara (38:20.871)
Okay.

AJ (38:35.328)
or being seen. The interesting thing about the theme is that this woman started off as being unseen. She’s somebody that people don’t see typically. But in one of the situations specifically, I think it’s the one in the bar, and the bartender says something to the effect of, I wouldn’t have noticed her except for.

Tara (38:35.654)
Yeah.

AJ (39:01.218)
the fact that she does not fit in here. And so that made her more noticeable. But it was, that was during it, right. But that was during a time that she didn’t want to be noticed. The times that she didn’t want to be noticed, she was getting noticed. But the things that she wanted to get noticed for, she wasn’t getting noticed for.

Tara (39:08.155)
making those mistakes.

Tara (39:15.44)
Exactly.

AJ (39:24.622)
Anyway, so I think it’s about being seen or wanting to be seen. Another one of the scenes that I think speaks to that is the whole scene with Eve and Roarke where they do the thing in the ballroom.

Tara (39:30.514)
I like that.

Tara (39:46.833)
Yes.

AJ (39:48.812)
because Eve says something in that particular scene. Let me see if I can find it real quick. Because I know I put it in here.

AJ (40:06.944)
Where is it?

AJ (40:16.462)
Who knows?

I can search for ballroom.

AJ (40:25.038)
She did- they did the thing in the ballroom.

Tara (40:25.319)
Did the thing in the ballroom.

AJ (40:35.674)
did I not put that? I thought I put that scene in here, but apparently not. That’s okay. I can look at it at the book.

AJ (41:02.232)
AJ (41:05.996)
So Eve is clearly just thinking this is gonna be a fun way to check the ballroom off the list of places that we’ve done it in.

Tara (41:18.621)
loud because I forgot about this.

AJ (41:19.35)
I, this is one of my very favorite sex scenes in the book. Not necessarily the sex part, but everything around it, right? Because here Eve is and she’s like, yeah, we’re going to check the ballroom off. And she’s like making it like a fun game by leaving her clothes all around so that he can go find her. And,

Tara (41:28.979)
Yeah.

AJ (41:45.92)
Again, I mean, that kind of speaks to the theme as well, doing a hide and seek type of thing. And then he finds her and instead of going, yeah, let’s do it now. Cause she’s like, I’m working to do it right here in the ballroom, right in the very, very middle of the ballroom, you know? And instead of him going like, yeah, let’s do it. He like turns down the lights and he turns on the, the

the fireplace and he turns on some sexy music and then he goes to her and they start dancing together. And it was just really sweet. And while they were doing that, he says, I like your dress. And she says, it’s just really something I pulled on. Because of course, thinking about Rorke and what a badge bunny he is, she’s wearing her underwear and nothing else, nothing better underwear and her like weapon harness.

Tara (42:25.743)
It really is.

Tara (42:43.281)
and her weapon, yeah.

AJ (42:44.725)
Yeah.

Tara (42:48.371)
you

AJ (42:49.076)
Anyway, I like your dress. it’s just really a little something I pulled on. And he says it suits you. Not everyone wears white so well with such powerful accessories. And she’s like, yeah, it’s a stunner. So.

Tara (43:07.857)
You know, Nora was like, yeah, I know that’s a good one.

AJ (43:07.902)
And she was loving writing this scene. Roarke says, so is my wife. And she says, she angled her head back. So you’re married? I am, yes, right down to the marrow. You? And she says, I got talked into it. It’s working out pretty well.

Tara (43:18.483)
AJ (43:30.92)
And then she said, then it says she laid a hand on his cheek. He’s got a way of making me feel like I’m the only person in the world.

And he says, when I’m with my wife, then when I’m holding her, she is. And it says, she pressed her cheek against his closed her eyes as they danced and says, no one ever made me the reason before him. No one ever made me the one. So I just felt like it spoke to like that, like essentially what she’s saying here is that she’s

she wasn’t seen before him.

Tara (44:14.45)
Yeah.

AJ (44:15.072)
Nobody saw her in the same way.

Tara (44:17.959)
Which I love because it’s… I think what I also really loved about this scene, and I think it plays into, you know, this as the theme, is Eve also like accepting that she likes to feel this way. You know, like, it’s not a thing that she just like outright thinks about within the parameters of us reading the books. We don’t get to see Eve go…

AJ (44:36.813)
Right.

Tara (44:46.225)
wow, this is just like amazing having a partner that sees me this way. Like we don’t get that. So when we get these moments where it’s she never had anyone look at her that way or see her that way, you’re like, this is a lot more special than just work being romantic. You know, it’s really big. So.

AJ (45:03.65)
Yeah, yeah. And we always talk about how Nora never puts something in a book that doesn’t fit. That’s like something that like is just random where you’re like, why? There’s certain things in the books that I feel like she’s very intentional about. And prior to this whole scene, he’s like following her trail of clothes.

Tara (45:24.573)
Mm-hmm.

AJ (45:33.038)
to the ballroom. And at a certain point he stops in front of a painting and says he paused to study a painting he’d stolen six or seven years before a lonely hooded figure crossing a windswept moor under brooding skies. He’d taken it for his own collection as it had pulled at him that resolved the loneliness while his primary target of a small exquisite carat he’d stolen for a very tidy fee.

But even that painting speaks to that, because it’s like a lonely hooded figure. somebody that is a hood on, so you’re not seeing them. They’re all alone, you know.

kind of, I don’t know how else to say it, but like it’s, it’s still, it speaks to that. Like somebody is not being seen or somebody that is trying to not be seen or, you know, in that way. So, anyway, that’s, that’s what I think the theme is. So there you go. Okay. So finally, after how long?

Tara (46:34.888)
Yeah.

Tara (46:43.763)
I would agree.

I would agree, think it’s a great, great choice. Shhh, it’s fine. It’s fine. Eh, it’s fine, it’s fine. Who cares? Who cares?

AJ (46:49.272)
How long have we been like 46 minutes? We’re going to go through this timeline and hopefully we can get through it pretty quickly. We’ll see.

Tara (47:10.288)
All right.

Okay, so we’ll start with day one. Chapter is one and two. Okay, so Chanel Rylan is absorbed in watching Psycho with her friend Lola Kowalski when Lola, a veterinarian, gets a 911 text from work. She leaves the theater and just as the shower scene is in progress, the person behind Chanel stabs her in the back of her neck with an ice pick. When Lola runs to tell Chanel she was called into work for an emergency and needs to leave,

She discovers her friend is dead and begins screaming. Lieutenant Eve Dallas stands over her body, which is dragged into the aisle in an attempt to revive her, regretting her lost evening relaxing in the Somerset Freehouse. She interviews, yes.

AJ (47:58.508)
Yeah, so that I didn’t put in there, but like that was kind of funny because she came in the house and Somerset’s not there, obviously, but Roarke wasn’t there either. So she was like, I’m in this house all by myself. you know. Yeah, and she’s thinking about, do I like run through all the rooms naked? What do I do? She ends up like pouring herself a glass of wine and just sitting in the

Tara (48:03.676)
Ahem.

Tara (48:09.606)
Yes.

Tara (48:14.065)
which that’s like such a rarity.

AJ (48:28.344)
parlor or something, waiting for Rorke. And she didn’t even get to sip the wine at all when she got the tag for this. So she’s like, yeah. she, it really is. mean, she, cause she meets, Rorke comes in as she starts heading for the door and then he sees that she starts putting on her jacket and he’s like, well.

Tara (48:30.277)
Yeah, she’s enjoying her time.

Tara (48:40.857)
a tragedy. I’m sorry Eve.

Tara (48:52.21)
Yeah.

AJ (48:56.29)
So much for my evening as well, you know? And so she’s like, well, I have a glass of wine in there if you want it. I didn’t even touch it. So. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Tara (48:59.089)
Yeah, sorry.

Tara (49:04.243)
There’s something there’s there’s something to look forward to that I don’t get to yeah, poor Eve So yeah, but summer said his own vacation so there’s that So, let’s see So she interviews Lola and Mark Snyder who sat in the same row He had noticed somebody sitting behind Chanel who came in after the lights went down and was gone by the time Chanel’s death was discovered

AJ (49:14.456)
Yeah.

Tara (49:33.008)
Eve figures that the person was the killer and left from another theater showing a kids movie with a large group of people, about 40 % of them under 12, that let out just after the killing. The murder looks to be target specific since the victim had a routine and the 911 vet call was looking bogus, but Eve can’t figure out why.

Chanel was an actress who also worked at Broadway Babies, a restaurant where the waitstaff sings and performs. sends McNabb to review the security footage from the theater and get the info on the call to the vet. Then she and Peabody head to Broadway Babies. And Peabody thanks Eve for the trip to Mexico. This is from the book. I know I told you what a mag time we had in Mexico and thanked you about a zillion times. So don’t do it again.

What I didn’t say, Peabody continued, mostly because I wanted to see the results stuck, was how McNabb conked on the shuttle on the way to the villa and just dropped out. And he extremely loves flying. After we got there and bast had a couple of birdbath margaritas, took a swim. He conked again, even before we continued to bask with sex and slept dead out for 12 solid. Like you said, he needed a break and he got one. You and Rorick made it so he got one.

I’d have been okay if he’d slept the entire time we were there, but the 12 solid really helped. So we had lots of sex. This is how you say thank you. We had lots and lots of sex, Peabody said unabashed. Lots of drinks, lots of sitting around doing nothing, lots of everything that wasn’t work. And it’s stuck. He’s got his bounce back. McNabb always bounces, but it’s the real deal. The natural bounce. It’s a load off Dallas. I just wanted to say. It’s a nice little.

AJ (50:59.975)
Hahaha

AJ (51:20.088)
So that was really nice of…

Tara (51:22.213)
It’s nice. And it’s a nice follow up from the book before, where we, you know, were learning that McNabb was just done, needed a fucking break, and he got it. So it’s nice to see that that paid off. And Eve got to hear about all the sex they had, which honestly, you know, I’m not sure what she expected. She was going to hear about all the sex. Eve.

AJ (51:32.204)
Wait, yeah. Yeah.

AJ (51:37.229)
Yeah.

AJ (51:45.282)
Yeah. I think somewhere in the back of her mind, she knew it. She was just hoping it wasn’t going to happen, but here we are. Right.

Tara (51:53.284)
right. She’s like, pretend like it’s not coming. So anyway, so they talked to the owner of Broadway Babies and they learned that Chanel was well liked and nobody was stalking her to their knowledge. And then they break for the rest of the night. At home, Roarke is reading in Eve’s office with the cat sprawled across his knees. Eve fills him in over spaghetti and meatballs with the conclusion that there are far easier ways to kill somebody. So Eve needs to figure out why the drama.

AJ (52:09.153)
you

Tara (52:23.313)
She has work or in a background on Chanel’s ex and actor in Canada while she digs into Chanel. That was chapters 42.

Tara (52:36.755)
Sorry, do we need to keep going to chapter three? Okay, because that’s also day one. Yeah, that’s fine. We’ll see what happens. So chapter three, so nothing rings for Chanel. The ex comes up clean as did the owner of Broadway Babies, but there was definitely routine and structure in Chanel’s activities. So it’s more confirmed that this was target specific. They decided to shut it down for the night from the book.

AJ (52:36.824)
Pretty much. Yeah, go ahead and then I’ll, I can pick up on day two if you, well, day two is really long. So, okay.

Tara (53:06.117)
She drew back to shut down and abruptly remembered, we’re summer set free. And since I’m sure you’re interested, he’s very much enjoying his winter break. Yeah, great. We have to have sex.

AJ (53:17.582)
Ha

Tara (53:22.963)
Eve tells him to count to 30 and then takes off. He counts, then follows a trail of her clothes to the ballroom where he finds her in just her underwear and weapon harness. Just when Eve thinks they’re going to have sex right in the middle of the, right in the damned middle of the ballroom, he surprises her by turning on the fireplace and the sexy music and slow dancing with her first. Sex soon follows and Eve can now add ballroom to the list of places in the house they’ve done it.

they’ve done it in, while Roarke thinks that he may never not think of this day anytime they have a party from here now.

Um, so let me… Okay, but they had sex on the floor in the middle of the ballroom. I’m like, that sounds actually not that fun. Like, give me a mattress. I know. I mean, well, sure. I mean, it’s not not going to be fun, but like, it could be better if there was a mattress. Yeah. Yeah.

AJ (54:11.414)
It’s even work. So like, it’s always fun.

AJ (54:22.252)
You want a mattress? Yeah, but yeah, but there’s not a mattress there. And she wanted to check that room off the list.

Tara (54:29.567)
She did and I’m happy for her, you know, I love that. I think it’s hilarious. I laughed so hard.

AJ (54:32.878)
Yeah.

AJ (54:37.856)
Yeah, it was really funny. It was a great scene.

Tara (54:42.187)
I think I’ve only read this book once, so this was like reading a book for the first time again, which I loved.

AJ (54:48.0)
Yeah.

It’s a great book. really loved it. So you want to go, I can go through like maybe chapter six or seven.

Tara (54:58.205)
Yeah, do as much as you like. Sure.

AJ (55:02.592)
Okay. okay. So this is day two, chapter four, Galahad wakes up Eve at 5.33 AM and he looks pissed. She finally realizes that he’s hungry and gets him some food because Somerset’s not home and Roarke was on a meeting. So she’s like, nobody’s fed you. No wonder. Cause she made it a point to say that Somerset looked really pissed. I mean, not Somerset, Galahad. Galahad looked really pissed.

Tara (55:28.051)
Go ahead. Yeah, well he This is not acceptable behavior to him so So understandable

AJ (55:34.67)
Exactly.

So at Cop Central, Nadine comes in with Blaine Delano, a famous novelist who has information for Eve about the investigation. Eve has Peabody set them up an interview room. So she got information, Eve also had information from McNabb confirming that the call to the vet was a recording, most likely a timed auto send.

Eve listens to the recording and hears that it’s just one long message with no pauses to interact with the vet assistant with video of a blur of lights and pedestrians as if somebody’s running. So that’s suspicious. So then she goes to meet with Delano who tells Eve that she may be responsible for Chanel Rylan’s murder.

Tara (56:23.239)
Right.

Tara (56:31.859)
It’s a bit dramatic, but okay. But, you know…

AJ (56:33.794)
bit dramatic, yes. Drama is also part of the theme here.

Tara (56:39.571)
And I think we all have a little bit of a pension for that, you know, so it’s fine.

AJ (56:43.714)
Yeah.

AJ (56:47.502)
So, Delano, who writes police procedurals, explains that the murder was similar to one in her book, Dark Days. The first victim in that book was a young actress with a similar background as Chanel, who was killed with an ice pick through the base of her neck during a Hitchcock film, Dial Imp for Murder. Delano believes it’s the second such murder. The first one was about a month ago and modeled on the events of Dark Falls in the

first of the Deanne Dark series, which had a young street level LC strangled with a white scarf and a flop. The case Delano was referring to is Rosie Kent’s murder, which was caught by Reineke and Jenkinson, but not closed. In the third book of the series, Dark Deeds, the girlfriend of a trash rock musician is poisoned by cyanide infused palm-tini, the pomegranate flavored martini, in an edgy popular club.

So that’s something that Eve has to think about. Is that going to be the next murder?

Tara (57:53.788)
Yeah.

AJ (57:56.782)
So Peabody set up a meeting with Mira. So Eve goes to the meeting and as she walks into the room, Mira is talking to Dennis on the phone. And when she hangs the phone up, she tells Eve that Dennis has already also noticed the similarity to the Dark series books. Because he’s Dennis.

Tara (58:23.731)
So everyone but Eve has read this series. This is the point where you’re like, yeah, Eve hasn’t read it, surprise, surprise, but.

AJ (58:26.005)
Exactly. And nobody’s surprised.

AJ (58:31.502)
Yeah. So he fills Mary in on the first murder since Brineke and Jekison consulted somebody else. How dare they? You mean there’s actually somebody else that you can consult?

Tara (58:45.608)
Right? Mira’s like, yeah, it was really nice to not do every fucking murder investigation. So yeah, she was like, she’s like, wow, how nice. And he was like, no, that’s not allowed.

AJ (58:50.094)
I got a little old vacation. Yeah.

AJ (58:59.182)
But also now she’s thinking like, why didn’t Reineke and Jenkinson come to me?

Tara (59:06.995)
Come on

AJ (59:08.374)
Yeah. Mira thinks the killer is an obsessed reader and frustrated writer who plans to kill Delano once he or she gets through all eight books in the dark series. She thinks the killer is at least 30, lives alone, doesn’t think sex is important, and already has the next victim picked out. I’m sure that we’re going to have people saying, how did she know all this? But well. I’m sure it’s

Tara (59:36.43)
I

AJ (59:38.54)
I’m sure it’s, you know, said in the books, how she…

Tara (59:40.958)
Part of the fact that she’s, yeah, it also part of the fact that she is like a top, you know, like shrink out there, you know? Yeah, like she knows this. She knows how this shit works. God forbid.

AJ (59:50.094)
Profiler, yeah.

AJ (59:56.107)
She does.

I mean, she’s not quite good enough for Jenkinson and Reineke who had to go to somebody else.

Tara (01:00:05.649)
Right? Look, maybe she was on PTO that day. I don’t know. She’s allowed to have time off.

AJ (01:00:08.424)
She might have been. She might have had the day off. Who knows?

She is. Even Peabody head to Chanel’s apartment, learning that she was bright, cheerful, happy person and her room reflects that. For the confirmation that the murder had nothing to do with who Rylan was, just that she matched the victim in dark days.

So then they go to the vet’s office, pet care. They confirm that no dog came in injured the previous night. Eve has Peabody interviewed the assistant that took the call while she dealt with a mini horse sized puppy named Samson.

Tara (01:00:40.051)
I

Tara (01:00:50.447)
I love… Samson sounds like the sweetest. I loved it. I loved it so much. And actually, last night, I met a giant bloodhound. And he was just a big, dumb, silly puppy, too. Big dogs. The bigger the dog, the more they are just silly and just want love.

AJ (01:00:52.872)
This was one of the best scenes.

Yeah. Samson sounds like, yeah.

AJ (01:01:09.517)
Yeah.

AJ (01:01:15.95)
Samsung kind of sound like a great day to me, but I don’t know, it could be any big dog, really.

Tara (01:01:19.441)
Yeah, I think he’s probably closer to a Great Dane too. That’s what I was thinking. I love a big dumb dog.

AJ (01:01:26.102)
Yeah, so I know, so do I. I was taking Lily on a walk the other day and we passed by a house and they fenced in and they had a, the guy had a giant golden lab. And right away the lab.

Tara (01:01:46.097)
AJ (01:01:49.502)
sees me and Lily and grabs his ball and like puts his big paws up on the fence and like leans his head over with his ball in his mouth. He wanted to play. Yeah. But Lily was like not having it. She was like, absolutely fucking not. Let’s keep going. Yeah. Yeah.

Tara (01:01:54.812)
Tara (01:01:58.324)
Yeah, he he wanted you to play. I love that. Yeah, that’s it, Lily. Be like, no, this is not what we’re doing. Bye.

Lily.

AJ (01:02:16.856)
So anyway, yeah, Samson ran to her jumped up on her and licked her face, looking at her with eyes shining with terrifying crazy love. The owner apologizes to Eve and the vet assistant tells the owner that she needs to be the alpha. When Eve and Peabody were ready to leave, Eve tells the dog to sit and to stay, which the dog does. And as they leave, she hears the vet assistant say,

Tara (01:02:43.869)
sure do.

AJ (01:02:46.562)
That’s an alpha.

So it is great. Yeah. So.

Tara (01:02:51.251)
great. It’s so great. man. Yeah, Eva’s never gonna be a dog owner, but the dog loved her.

AJ (01:03:01.098)
Right. Okay, so I’ll do chapter seven and you can pick up a chapter eight, Hassan.

Tara (01:03:06.353)
Okay. Sure.

AJ (01:03:08.694)
Okay, so chapter seven, even Peabody interviewed Jessalyn Brooke, the actress who beat Rylan out for a role in the theater. She genuinely shocked. She was genuinely shocked to learn Chanel was murdered and is quickly cleared with an alibi. Even Peabody get lunch and talk over the case. They speculate as to whether the killer is a man or a woman or a woman dressed as a man or vice versa. I feel like

At this point, we should probably address this kind of issue in this book that people are going to be complaining about and review the reviews. And that is the casual use of a word for a trans person that probably shouldn’t have been used in this book.

Tara (01:03:58.299)
Yes.

that probably should have been used, that would probably very, very unlikely to be used if the book had been written this year or in the last couple of years. I don’t think that it would have been.

AJ (01:04:13.806)
Right. Yeah, I think that the complaints are that even even at this time, this is 2018 when this book was written, people were hit shouldn’t have been used. But like, I think everybody feels like, well, it’s it’s it’s knowledge that’s out there that everybody has. When in fact,

Tara (01:04:25.026)
yes, it shouldn’t have been used. Yes.

AJ (01:04:42.676)
There are some people and I feel like Nora’s kind of that way. feel like Nora does a lot of, I don’t want say she sheltered, but a little bit, you know, I mean, she is busy writing her books and you know, things like that. She does read other other authors, I’m sure I know she watches TV, you know, because she’s got favorite, you know, TV shows and that kind of thing. But

Tara (01:04:58.99)
Right.

AJ (01:05:10.954)
You wouldn’t necessarily be in a place where that would be made known to you.

Tara (01:05:23.353)
No, not necessarily.

AJ (01:05:23.532)
You know what I’m saying? If you’re not in those spaces, which I’m assuming Nora isn’t, then you wouldn’t necessarily hear that. Well, that’s not, you know, a word that should be used. On the other hand. Yeah, go ahead.

Tara (01:05:39.476)
Not appropriate. Yeah. I mean, I think the year it’s, no, I was just going to say that I think that the timing is a little, it’s a little difficult to determine whether or not it’s something that at this point it was carelessness on her part. Because the Nora that we know and love, if it was something that she was, like if it was something that was a little more,

AJ (01:05:53.432)
Right.

Tara (01:06:09.811)
If it was a little bigger in the media at that time, I think that she would have been a little more cognizant of it. don’t. I mean, like, I wish that she had it like I wish that she had been more thoughtful about it. But I. I don’t think that she definitely is. She definitely like is was not intentional. This is one of those things where you’re like, yep.

AJ (01:06:15.81)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

AJ (01:06:26.189)
Yeah.

Tara (01:06:37.521)
That was not intended to be an offensive thing and that was a mistake. That doesn’t mean that she’s a bad person, you know?

AJ (01:06:47.148)
Yeah, yeah, and.

I do kind of feel like maybe the editor should have known.

Um, in any, any term like that, think should be double-checked. Like, this something that we should use? Um, but, uh, you know, I don’t know. Like you said, it, depending on the time and, and I don’t remember how much we were talking about it back then in 2018. So I can’t say, but you know,

Tara (01:06:58.511)
Yeah, that’s kind of

Tara (01:07:25.041)
I mean, we weren’t not talking about it. So it’s definitely a thing that that you’re like,

AJ (01:07:27.446)
Right. Yeah. But in, in certain, in certain circles, I’m sure that there were plenty of like online spaces or even spaces that were not online, but were more LGBTQ centered. Obviously you would know, but unless, but you’re, people would know that we’re people that frequent those spaces. Right. So an older.

Tara (01:07:45.043)
Yeah.

AJ (01:07:57.206)
an older white novelist who, you know…

Tara (01:08:01.255)
Well…

AJ (01:08:04.074)
lives in a small town and you know may not necessarily know that. Yeah.

Tara (01:08:04.797)
Yeah.

It’s a fine line. It really is a fine line. And at the end of the day, you’re right. Like you have, if you have an editor and we’re not catching these things, we’re not going, hey, Nora, no, we got to change that. At that point, like, you know, I would say it’s just as much on the editor as it is on Nora for not catching that.

AJ (01:08:27.661)
Yeah.

AJ (01:08:35.704)
So.

Tara (01:08:35.825)
And like I said, had she written it a couple years later, she would have caught it.

AJ (01:08:39.434)
Yeah, yeah, she wouldn’t have used that term. OK, so back at Central, Eve reviews Vid Palace security and spots the suspect arriving about 20 minutes before Ryland and Kowalski bundled up with a cap, scarf, gloves, heavy coat, boots and a chunky wrist unit reading mail at first glance. The same person leaves later in a reversible penguin coat, a different hat.

Tara (01:08:46.426)
feeling too.

Tara (01:08:53.874)
and

AJ (01:09:09.034)
and pink-lensed goggles. After a closer look, Peabody agreed that the suspect is likely female, since it’s easier to add height, weight, than disguise it away. Eve wonders why the suspect would bother to change clothes before leaving, and Peabody suggests it’s a plot twist. This from the book, it’s a story for her, her story, but a story. So, come in as a man, kill the character as a man, leave as a woman.

Plot twist.

Tara (01:09:39.091)
you

AJ (01:09:41.592)
So there you go.

Tara (01:09:42.675)
She’s, you know, it’s part of her thinking that she’s so smart. The killer.

AJ (01:09:48.16)
Exactly. Yep.

Tara (01:09:51.443)
Kind of an idiot, you know.

AJ (01:09:56.066)
Yeah.

Tara (01:09:59.38)
So that is chapter seven. So we can move on to chapter eight. Even Peabody visit the Delanos in Brooklyn. One of Lane’s daughters, Piper, remembers seeing the suspect when the family was Christmas shopping two months ago. She recognizes the goggles hat and coat from the picture Eve had pulled from the security footage at VidGalaxy.

Piper saw her in three of the stores they visited that day. The other daughter, Heather, tells Eve that Piper does notice things. Theme, suspect trying to be unnoticed is noticed. Well, yeah, little notes from AJ. Well, so Eve sends Peabody back to Central to have Yancey try for a better sketch.

AJ (01:10:38.808)
So that was my little, I mean, that’s, yeah.

Tara (01:10:51.621)
and she visits Blaine’s abusive and controlling ex-husband and his new family, including his son, Craig Jr., who is a little shit who lies to his father about Eve calling him a bad name and threatening to stun him. When she offers to replay the conversation, tapping her lapel recorder, he tries to kick her on his way upstairs, but she sidesteps and the kid nearly falls on his face. Eve is sure she or another badge will be sitting across from him in the box eventually.

Man, every time she meets people like this, I’m like, I want them to be arrested for something. I hate them so much.

AJ (01:11:24.438)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But we know that sometimes the truly heinous people are never arrested.

Tara (01:11:29.135)
every time and shitty. Well, yeah, Nora knows that, too, which is where it is, where we are. So there’s that anyway. So even sure that Craig’s wife is abused and when they are leaving, she gives the woman her card saying, in case you remember something or have any issues that require police assistance or intervention, which I bet she never is going to get that call.

AJ (01:11:38.696)
Hahaha!

AJ (01:11:56.408)
That’s Eve trying to do something good for this woman. No.

Tara (01:11:59.324)
Right. Eve’s trying to do something good. She’s never getting that call, but she’s trying. It’s unfortunate. So chapter nine, Eve gets home to an empty house, curls up in the library to read the first three dark books. Galahad is not pleased to smell a dog on her. First of all, when Eve went up to the library, I was like, my God, Rorka is going to be so fucking turned on by this.

AJ (01:12:02.825)
No.

AJ (01:12:24.558)
Hahaha

Tara (01:12:27.559)
Rorka’s probably like I’m like, right? Like Rorka is just gonna be like, yes, finally. Anyway, this is from the book. The cat found her while she read jumped up. Gala had started to cozy right in beside her then froze. Every hair on his pudgy body stood up. He hissed. What? What?

AJ (01:12:28.558)
Only if she has her weapon harness on. Yeah. Right.

Tara (01:12:55.143)
His eyes, feral in their light, fired at her before he sniffed her arm. His back arched like a Halloween cat. What the hell? Jesus, the dog. Are you kidding me? It was hours ago. I was wearing my coat. You can’t possibly… She sniffed her own arm. I absolutely do not smell like big sloppy dog. Besides, it wasn’t my fault. He had the crazy eyes. Gala had snarled, sniffed her leg, let out a bitter, throaty sound. He leaned on me. It was line of duty, so get over it.

AJ (01:13:23.438)
What?

Tara (01:13:25.203)
It’s so great. Gallahad is has a lot of feelings about other animals, other animals touching Eve. Like, like there is no way that they could ever there could be like a little kitten that wanders onto the into the ground. Uh-uh, that kitten’s not coming in the house. There’s no way that he would ever become like he would never allow another animal in the house. Yeah, Gallahad is a jealous boy.

AJ (01:13:27.267)
Love it.

AJ (01:13:31.182)
He does have a lot of feelings. Yep. He’s very jealous.

AJ (01:13:45.485)
No.

AJ (01:13:51.0)
Yep.

AJ (01:13:54.552)
Ha ha.

Tara (01:13:55.156)
So anyway, Roarke comes home thinking about his pisser of a day and asks the in-house computer where Eve is. This is from the book. Good evening, Roarke darling Eve is in the library. What? Where? Dallas Lieutenant Eve is in the library. Affirmative, that is her current location. So Roarke is confused. Galahad is busy. And Eve’s just, Eve’s just having a little like night in reading. That’s a very interesting time in the Roarke household.

AJ (01:14:17.27)
Right, exactly. Yeah.

Right?

Tara (01:14:25.011)
So he goes to the library and sees Eve with the cat on her lap and a book in her hand while a fire snapped and sizzled cheerfully. And he says, well, now this looks cozy. She explains that she’s been reading Delano’s book Dark Days and how Delano came in with the theory that the killer is imitating her books. She also tells him about the earlier case of the LC who was strangled. He offers to help her by snuggling up

against her with the cat on both their laps and reading another of the dark books along with her. Even though it’s work, he decides it’s nice. After a while, they decide to have dinner and talk about the case and the books they reading.

AJ (01:15:06.868)
So instead of being turned on, he’s like, this is nice.

Tara (01:15:11.087)
I know, I know very plot twist. Plot twist. Rirkus like I could be turned on or I could read. I’m gonna take advantage of this while I can.

AJ (01:15:22.796)
rights or both? We don’t know that he wasn’t turned on.

Tara (01:15:27.591)
He totally was, but also he’s able to do both, I suppose. Good job. Good job, Roarke. So he basically sums up the end of the book she was reading and Roarke says to her from the book, how do you know that you couldn’t have finished the book? I skipped to the end. You. He closed his eyes as he drank more wine. Some things are unforgivable. And then they talk about the books in general.

AJ (01:15:31.084)
Reading. Right.

haha

AJ (01:15:50.583)
Right?

Tara (01:15:57.032)
Roarke says, he reminds me of you a bit, Hightower, an excellent cop with good instincts, maybe not as deep as yours, Roarke commented, but good. And becoming, being a cop, the goal he never

Tara (01:16:13.191)
Sorry. A goal he never, I was like, I cannot talk. have to go on. And becoming, being a cop, a goal he never deviated from. He’s by the book, but understands the book isn’t the only law, rules, but people and justice. And she, dark, tends to find the book a limitation, becomes frustrated by procedure. Maybe it’s growing up rough, learning how to slip and slide early, but hey, she’s a little like you now that I think about it.

She shot him a grin. You’re the girl in this one.

AJ (01:16:44.752)
Ha

Tara (01:16:47.546)
Eve.

Tara (01:16:53.203)
Except for Roarke was probably going, yeah, but I never would have been a cop in the first place at all.

AJ (01:17:00.088)
Right.

Tara (01:17:04.531)
So then they decide to shift to reading Delano’s fan mail, because they have been reading everything all night. But first, Roarke has a little business to see to. When he comes back in, he tells her, you now own a small ramshackle farm of just over 16 acres in Nebraska. FYI, that’s not small. And he reminds her of their wager from Secrets in Death. After he’d found an apartment for Nadine, she asked him how he finds undervalued properties.

AJ (01:17:10.987)
Right.

AJ (01:17:23.874)
Right?

Tara (01:17:34.388)
And she said, how about if I, how about if I said, why don’t you buy me some underrated property and I have to think of somewhere weird in Nebraska? And Roarke took it as a challenge. So he bought a farm in Nebraska and put her name on it and tells her it should be fun. I would, I would love Eve to have to go to her farm in Nebraska anyway. So they started, they start reading fan mail that sounds suspiciously like the kind of fan mail that Nora herself has probably received.

AJ (01:17:50.926)
You

AJ (01:17:55.277)
Right?

Tara (01:18:02.583)
And they found several concerning letters from an A.E. Strongbow. Strongbow becomes Eve’s main suspect.

AJ (01:18:06.894)
So, well, yeah, because Strongbow is a dumbass.

Tara (01:18:14.801)
Right?

AJ (01:18:16.685)
So, I mean, we’ve already talked about this, that this is kind of not necessarily a love letter to Nora’s fans, is, I don’t even know what you would call it. She’s definitely calling out some obsessive fans here.

Tara (01:18:24.784)
Ahem.

Tara (01:18:30.396)
I mean it’s…

AJ (01:18:36.425)
Tara (01:18:36.435)
Yeah, it’s like they talk about the people who are mad that Dark and Hightower haven’t gotten together. And I’m like, well, that sounds familiar.

AJ (01:18:49.07)
Yeah, yeah, a lot of them, a lot of them who write multiple times talk about the make-believe people that they’re actually like their actual people. Some of them get pissy when those make-believe people don’t do just what they figure those make-believe people should do. Some get more than a little pissy. A lot of the pissy is because the characters haven’t banged.

Tara (01:18:59.474)
Yeah.

Tara (01:19:13.555)
Yeah. You’re like, sorry?

AJ (01:19:17.974)
And some are getting a little pissy that they’re not banging. Others can wait for the banging, but want them to exchange some sloppy kisses and express their feelings of love, devotion. Others don’t want either to happen ever. There’s a subset of who seriously objects to the language. Like real people never say fuck you, especially real people who are cops.

Tara (01:19:22.419)
Ahem.

Tara (01:19:39.463)
Ha ha ha!

Tara (01:19:44.55)
At that point I was like.

AJ (01:19:48.27)
Tell us how you really feel.

Tara (01:19:49.683)
Real people never say fuck you.

Tara (01:19:55.388)
Nora’s like, Nora’s like, yeah, that came right out of a fucking review from some asshole out there.

AJ (01:19:55.809)
And then…

Right? You know, you have to wonder how much she actually did, like type in and then go, no, I can’t put that in. Delete, delete,

Tara (01:20:10.131)
Like, that’s, that’s too obvious. And we’re all going no, Nora, we got it. It doesn’t matter. Don’t worry about it. We know.

AJ (01:20:13.826)
Right.

Yeah. Right. So then it says Eve blew out of breath. There are some threats, but they run to the, if you do this, don’t do this. I’ll never read you again. It makes me wonder why Delano doesn’t write back and say, thanks for your interest. Now, fuck off. So you know exactly what Nora was thinking.

Tara (01:20:34.646)
Ha!

Tara (01:20:41.491)
And Dora’s like, that’s exactly if I if I sent people letters back, that’s exactly what I would say. I never reading this again. We’re like, well, that’s right now of review the reviews.

AJ (01:20:54.828)
Right? I need, you know what? I need to try to find reviews that say exactly these things. If I review the reviews of this book, that would be hilarious.

Tara (01:21:07.016)
I sure hope you do.

AJ (01:21:08.876)
Yeah. So anyway, yes, that very clearly Nora’s own thoughts, like creeping in here.

Tara (01:21:14.749)
ridiculous.

Tara (01:21:21.615)
So great. So great. Made me so pleased. Okay. So we’re…

AJ (01:21:22.595)
Yeah.

AJ (01:21:30.42)
so we are. this other part here in the blue, we don’t have to read because we’ve already talked about it. So you can skip that part.

AJ (01:21:40.079)
The part, the blue. Yeah.

Tara (01:21:40.34)
Are you, what are you talking about? We’re on chapter 10. the blue in there. Okay. Sorry, I was like, this is all still part of that chapter. So yeah, we just, we just summarized the blue. It’s all good. No, my brain just was like, though, yeah. So Roarke finds a reoccurring writer, A.E. Strongbow, who escalates into stalker territory.

AJ (01:21:54.594)
Sorry, you can skip down to like the next, right after the blue.

Tara (01:22:07.815)
by sending Delano a copy of her manuscript and then accuses Delano of stealing her manuscript for the plot of Sudden Dark. Another alias, Chris Bundy, rants about a ghostwriter and ends with, sometimes the villain wins. Yikes. Right? Oof. A third name, Jesse Oakes, helps Eve spot the serial killer style alias pattern.

AJ (01:22:21.324)
Hahaha

AJ (01:22:26.922)
Okay

Tara (01:22:37.343)
and the suspect’s likely E skills, drop links and cloning. Eave O’Roarke also shares a Last Thing I Stole story, then admits he stopped chasing emeralds when he met Eve.

AJ (01:22:50.178)
Yeah, there was a really nice story. Well, a nice fervor, okay. He had stolen this painting. and about, yeah. I don’t know, no, that was a different painting.

Tara (01:22:55.227)
Yeah, about that painting that he looked at earlier.

No, it was a different painting. Was it a different painting? I thought it was the same painting. OK.

AJ (01:23:05.73)
Yeah, was a, yeah, no, it’s a different painting. It’s a painting of, what is it, persimmon?

Tara (01:23:21.521)
That’s right. Persimmons sounds right.

AJ (01:23:24.046)
says,

AJ (01:23:31.566)
But strange or fascinating little still life by an underrated painter named Andre Mendini, who in his despair of being underrated leaped into the scene and drown in 2027 or 2028. I’m not quite sure now. In any case, his fame subsequently skyrocketed and his paintings became of great interest to collectors. Persimmons by Candlelight and Leaves like, now you’re bullshitting.

Tara (01:23:58.74)
Yeah

AJ (01:23:58.826)
And Roarke’s like, no, absolutely not. So anyway, he stole it. It was stolen on behest of a collector. Yeah, it was stolen on behest of a collector who coveted it for her for his private collection, where it remained in 2057 until 2057 when it mysteriously reappeared at another exhibition of Mendini’s works at the Smithsonian. And he says, you stole it twice.

Tara (01:24:07.261)
You know, like he’s Roarke.

AJ (01:24:26.188)
And he says, well, the first was for a fee as well as the fun, but I found myself regretting the job when I read about the daughter of the original donor who had only 11 had a deep attachment to that particular painting. And he’s like, the kid like persimmons? Apparently as painted by Mendini. It had in fact been loaned out in her name. My client simply coveted it and kept it for his own pleasure. The girl loved it.

and mourned the loss. So I returned it to her. And Eve says, softy.

Tara (01:25:00.819)
That’s our Roarke. He’s a bit of a softy.

AJ (01:25:04.32)
Yeah. And I actually love how Eve is, Eve, how Nora, you know, because you could, you could see it Roarke and many too, I’m sure as that person that just callously just went around and just stole shit from people and he didn’t care and blah, blah. And, you know, so this is one of those stories that Nora’s telling that shows us like, no, he didn’t, he never did some, well, he did do stuff in his younger days.

Tara (01:25:22.675)
Right.

AJ (01:25:34.712)
for the money and, you but as he got older, you know, he

you know, had more of a thought of how that affects people, you know. And he’s, it’s, he, yeah, he says later, a handful of months later, while I was contemplating the barrenness of Malo’s emeralds, and whether I should vastly entertain myself by relieving her of them, I met a cop who interested me a great deal more than the emeralds.

Tara (01:25:43.111)
Yeah, he stopped.

Tara (01:25:49.683)
Exactly.

Tara (01:26:10.291)
Look at that Eve, you are more interesting than emeralds. Which she definitely is. Not that emeralds aren’t lovely, but I know.

AJ (01:26:13.27)
Right?

AJ (01:26:18.104)
But it’s an interesting thing to think about when you think about it though, like just a couple months before the first book happened, he was still like, should I steal those dimes, those emeralds? You know.

Tara (01:26:28.689)
Right. Should I steal that? I’m bored today. Maybe I’ll steal those emeralds.

AJ (01:26:35.432)
Right? But you know, so close, just months before he met Eve. So, yeah, you know, I mean, because I think he always had this impression that he’d given up all of that stuff like years before.

Tara (01:26:41.553)
Yeah, that is crazy to think about.

Tara (01:26:54.855)
And we’re like, nope, nope, he did not. He did not. So chapter 11.

AJ (01:26:55.872)
So nope, yeah.

Tara (01:27:05.507)
Eve tries to figure out who the next victim will be based on dark deeds, ex-girlfriend of a trash rocker, edgy lifestyle, mid-twenties, lots of illegals, and easy sex. Research through gossip pages includes Nadine because of her connection to Jake Kincaid, but she doesn’t fit the victim demographic. She reads the book that Strongbow Bundy Oakes flipped out over and has Roarke read the third dark book to see if he can add to the victim or killer profile.

Roarke explains why books are different from vids. You don’t just watch a story. You enter it and build it in your head. So this killer isn’t simply copying scenes, she’s living them, inhabiting new roles with each murder. Eve boils all that psychology down to the core truth. No matter what face the killer puts on, she’s still the same person underneath. From there they dig into motive. Eve says Strongbow is trying to flip the script so Evil wins.

And she’s rewriting Delana’s books to make herself the star, the one in control, because that’s the only way she ever feels powerful or important. Then Eve looks at Roarke and says from the book, well, strip it off, pal. Let’s get this done. His eyebrows winged up, is she right? That’s our Eve. She’s such a romance. she’s such a romantic. OK, so she says, strip this off, pal. Let’s get this done.

AJ (01:28:17.451)
Ooh, so romantic Eve.

Tara (01:28:31.527)
His eyebrows winged up as she hit the release on her weapon harness. That’s quite the pivot. Somerset Freehouse, library not yet checked off. It’s a straight line, not a pivot. After laying her weapon on the bench table, she pulled off a boot. That’s a good couch. She tossed the boot aside, pulled off the other. It’ll work. I don’t believe I had that purpose in mind when I bought it.

AJ (01:28:57.912)
buys this couch thinking of himself like just sitting there reading books.

Tara (01:28:58.311)
Here they are.

Tara (01:29:04.107)
Well, that’s not what he’s gonna think about anymore. You know it.

AJ (01:29:06.552)
Ha ha ha!

AJ (01:29:11.436)
Yeah, there’s never at, at a certain point, there’s not going to be any room that Roarke is going to enter that he doesn’t think about having had sex with Eve in that room. Which I thought how, how awkward during like a, like a big formal party in that ballroom. Roarke’s going to have a hard on and like, well, that’s what it is. Goes with the territory.

Tara (01:29:20.563)
Well sounds great for him.

Tara (01:29:31.185)
Well…

well worth it.

AJ (01:29:39.795)
Great. Worth it.

Tara (01:29:43.387)
I’m like, okay.

AJ (01:29:46.306)
Should I start with day three?

Tara (01:29:46.835)
Do you want to do day three?

AJ (01:29:50.7)
and just to the next couple of chapters.

AJ (01:29:56.11)
Day three, it’s essentially chapter 11 continued. That night Eve dreams about the actual murders on one side of the pages of a book and the book murders on the other side. She dreams of Deanne Dark, but realizes she, Eve, is not in the books. So wonders how Strongbow accounts for her presence. Plus Roarke and the NYPSD officers working the case. She talks it over with Roarke at breakfast, trying to figure out how to move the killer’s focus to her.

She decides to give Nadine basically an interview where she gives the killer a bad review of the murders as a slap to Strong Will’s Roarke chooses dangerous black clothing for her to wear for the interview. He also suggests slip dye and mascara, which Eve is not happy about. This is from the book. Her back didn’t go up this time, but her body sagged. Come on.

Tara (01:30:37.427)
Yeah.

AJ (01:30:56.002)
Consider it insight, just add that for the visual. Crap, bullshit crap. She mumbled it, but strode off to the bathroom to push through the limited supplies Trina forced on her. She came out. Now, now lethal. You’ll worry her darling Eve, I have no doubt. See that you at some point slip a hand into your pocket in a way that shows the camera a hint of your weapon.

Tara (01:31:03.504)
You

AJ (01:31:24.524)
That’s good. That’s a good one. I’m gonna get started. He rose walked to her skimmed a finger down the dent in her chin. Take care of my lethal cop. Count on it. She kissed him walked out. I do he murmured slipping a hand into his own pocket to wrap his fingers over the button. He carried there. I do count on it. I just I put this in because I just for some reason. I just love this part. She headed downstairs saw her coat scarf not

the one she’d unwound the night before but a long black cloud along with black gloves probably lined with some ridiculously expensive fur and her oddly beloved snowflake cap. So I just love that the visual of Eve wearing all this dangerous black and then the snowflake cap. You know.

Tara (01:32:14.213)
No, I love that too. That’s Eve.

AJ (01:32:17.024)
And then yeah, and then Roarke also gave her a memo cube. She engaged it and after a brief sort of jazzy instrumental voices male and female saying in harmony, baby, it’s cold outside. She snickered and wondered how he managed to think of the silly. After gearing up, she slipped the memo cube into her pocket of her coat. She walked out into the cold outside. He because he gets

Tara (01:32:44.275)
She’s gonna listen to it again later.

AJ (01:32:46.168)
Cause she gets, he gets up at like, dark 30. And like, you know, he’s awake and now he’s got to do shit. So, so that’s not here. So I guess I have to be the one to put the coat and the, not that he thought he had to, he probably like, I’m gonna go down.

Tara (01:32:50.192)
Exactly.

Tara (01:32:58.331)
I guess I have to do shit. Yeah.

Well, and… yeah, he doesn’t care.

AJ (01:33:08.365)
No.

so chapter 12, Eve arrives at central where she learns Santiago bet against the Knicks because he grew up in Chicago and she schools him on like, yeah, let him have his, yeah, let him have his team. Like, come on. she schools him on loyalties. The people of New York pay your freight, Santiago. And that’s what counts. Metz, Knicks, Giants, Rollers, Rangers.

Tara (01:33:20.636)
I mean…

I can’t really blame him. Let’s, poor man.

AJ (01:33:38.082)
Get on board or you may wear that hat permanently.

Tara (01:33:38.579)
you

Tara (01:33:42.896)
for Santiago.

AJ (01:33:42.958)
Yeah, so there’s also a lot of the word skank in this book, which I I’m not a fan of. I don’t know if it’s another one of those. Yeah, I just don’t love that term.

Tara (01:33:54.215)
I don’t love.

Tara (01:33:58.194)
Yeah, it’s not a term I love.

AJ (01:34:01.502)
No. Anyway, so Peabody has come up with a skank list to look for her next victim, starting with Loxie Flash, whose real name is Loxie Flash. Her actual name is Mariana Balinski, who has a, right? Mariana has a beautiful name.

Tara (01:34:13.606)
Amen.

Tara (01:34:21.063)
Which is not that bad of a name. I like that name. It really is.

AJ (01:34:28.846)
she has a long list of criminal charges and is currently on parole at my clock is going off. And it’s so it’s distracting me a little bit. So loud. did I tell you, I fixed the, I think we talked about, there’s a, there’s a moon phases thing on the clock and I, and I said it the other day.

Tara (01:34:52.38)
Yeah.

AJ (01:34:58.366)
I read online about how to set a moon phase, you know, moon phases on your clock. So I did that anyway. That’s neither here nor there. Just an interesting thing that I thought about. because it was saying like, said it, I can’t remember what it was saying, but it was saying something about the 15th.

Tara (01:35:10.611)
It is an interesting thing.

I love it.

AJ (01:35:27.24)
And I guess the you have to set it so that the new moon happens on the 15th day of the month. can’t I don’t there’s like a 50. I can’t remember. There’s a specific way that you have to calculate it. And it’s very complicated. So yeah.

Tara (01:35:44.893)
frustrating. It sounds really cool.

AJ (01:35:50.018)
Yeah. And then have to get, had to like drag it out from behind and like, there’s a little mechanism and I had to get in there and like turn it. Yeah.

So, anywho.

Tara (01:36:05.253)
I it’s a really cool idea. And I’m sure it looks cool now, or sounds cool now.

AJ (01:36:08.598)
It is a really cool idea.

And, you know, it’s one of those things like so much of what was in my mom’s house got just sold off or, and this was one of the things that I was like, no, no, we’re not selling that. I don’t know why I was like sentimental about it. And my mom also had a cuckoo clock my dad got in Germany when he was stationed in Germany. And.

Tara (01:36:29.427)
Yeah. I’m gonna blame you.

AJ (01:36:41.868)
We kept that too. My younger brother has that. and my, one of my older sisters took another clock. I guess we’re like a clock family.

Tara (01:36:52.211)
I’m sensing a pattern here. There are clocks.

AJ (01:36:55.52)
A pattern, yeah. There are clocks. There are also Christmas decorations. So like clocks and Christmas decorations and that’s pretty much. My dad had a collection of beer steins and my brother took those too.

So anyway.

Tara (01:37:12.103)
Good. Collections are…

AJ (01:37:15.086)
Well, it’s important to keep some stuff. You know, when it, you know, when it means something to you, has sentimental value, yes.

Tara (01:37:17.203)
Yeah.

Tara (01:37:23.475)
Yeah, has sentimental value. Yes, exactly.

AJ (01:37:32.942)
So Eva’s thinking back to this book. So Peabody convinces Loxy to come down for an interview. Eva’s thinking that the killer made her reversible coat since she couldn’t find it anywhere in retail. Because I think, I don’t know because I haven’t gone through the review of the reviews, but I’m sure there’s at least one person saying like, how did she even know that the person made the coat? Like how did she?

Tara (01:37:37.085)
Thanks.

AJ (01:38:02.272)
Well, because she looked online at any retail shop to see if anybody at any time ever sold a coat like that and nobody had. So she just assumed like, okay, it must be something that she made. So she put Peabody, yeah, so she put Peabody on finding that, that material.

Tara (01:38:08.242)
Yeah.

Tara (01:38:16.625)
Makes sense to me.

AJ (01:38:26.028)
And then Mira comes in and she kind of has a consult with Eve. And she agrees with Eve that Strongbow is likely the killer and is rewriting Delano’s books in order to give herself power that she doesn’t feel she has and that she is currently living as the killer in Dark Deeds.

Blaine and Audrey Delano come in at that point so Eve can talk to them about the fan mail. They confirm that Sudden Dark was written well in advance of receiving the manuscript Strongbow sent.

I do. I, one thing I didn’t. Yeah. And one thing I didn’t say, I, I have to wonder if maybe there was a situation at one point that somebody sent Nora manuscript or maybe she’s been sent several that kind of like.

Tara (01:39:04.625)
which Eve had kind of assumed. Yeah.

Tara (01:39:18.685)
I bet she’s been sent several manuscripts and I’m sure that she’s been accused of stealing people’s work and her being like, yeah, I don’t have time for that shit.

AJ (01:39:24.342)
stealing. Yo, yeah. Yeah.

AJ (01:39:29.854)
No. Eve then talks to Loxie Flash, who matches the description of the victim in the book and gave off the same fuckhead vibe. Quote unquote. Eve tries to convince Loxie to be on the lookout for the suspect who might try to poison her with a pomegranate martini. Loxie looks somewhat concerned, but again as a fuckhead and will definitely not listen.

Tara (01:39:54.621)
Fucking idiot.

AJ (01:39:56.192)
Yeah, she really is a fucking idiot.

Tara (01:39:58.964)
You

AJ (01:40:00.398)
So after the interview Eve heads to vending to potentially kick a machine since she couldn’t kick Loxy. She’s literally thinking this in her head. And I love this part of the book. It says she plugged in for a tube of Pepsi, snagged what shat out. This is a damn diet cream soda you fuck.

Tara (01:40:11.899)
I need two.

AJ (01:40:27.072)
Inappropriate language noted, Festers Diet Cream Soda offers classic taste, guilt free. There is no nutritional value and certain additives listed on request may pose health risks, including shut up, just shut the fuck up and give me my damn Pepsi. Second incident of inappropriate language noted, warning, a third incident would result in suspension of vending privileges.

Note this, I will rip your circuits out with my bare hands, blast them into oblivion with my police issue if you don’t give me my damn Pepsi. Threats of vandalism will be reported. Hargrove Detective Clint. Acts of vandalism will result in suspension of ending privileges and $2,000 fine plus the cost of damages. Eve started to tell the idiot computerized pain in her ass she wasn’t Hargrove Detective Clint.

Tara (01:41:03.111)
you

AJ (01:41:21.698)
Then reconsidered. Give me the tube of Pepsi I ordered. It shut one out. Your account has been charged for one tube of Pepsi. Pepsi, the choice of generations. I love how the vending machine saw these little… Right? That would be Hargrove’s account, Eve thought, as the machine spouted off its hype and warnings.

Tara (01:41:36.227)
The vending machine is like out here trying to sell you shit. Like, come on.

Tara (01:41:48.595)
Eve!

AJ (01:41:51.01)
Two notations of inappropriate language and one threat of vandalism have been added to your file. Yeah, Eve cracked the tube. Add this, you can bite me.

Tara (01:42:04.317)
feel so bad for Detective Hargrove.

AJ (01:42:06.802)
Right? Eve walked into homicide. Peabody. When Peabody looked up, Eve tossed the tube of cream soda. Hey, thanks. Thank Detective Clint Hargrove. Who’s that? I have no idea. Progress?

It’s like the best. It really is.

Tara (01:42:25.939)
Poor guy.

Tara (01:42:30.643)
poor Detective Hargrove. It’s really going to be a rough day when he when he’s just like he is having a bad day and he’s just like, I just need a damn Pepsi. Just like one one like mildly offensive words to be like, absolutely not. You’re out.

AJ (01:42:40.087)
Right.

AJ (01:42:45.454)
And it’s going to charge him 2000 bucks.

Tara (01:42:49.171)
I know Eve! Come on! my god. I was like Eve.

AJ (01:42:52.334)
Ha ha ha

rights. But look.

I have no doubt that these machines also film you. So if I was Detective Hargrove, I would absolutely be pulling that video and seeing who did that.

Tara (01:43:06.959)
Right?

Tara (01:43:11.923)
Oh, yes. And then he would be like, they would be doing that. They’d be like, Oh, of course, that’s Lieutenant Dallas. Everyone knows who she is.

AJ (01:43:19.374)
Right? Yeah, everyone.

Tara (01:43:25.453)
Everyone knows who she is.

AJ (01:43:26.626)
But like, I wouldn’t be paying that 2,000 bucks. I’d be going to her and going like, you get your rich husband to reimburse me that 2,000 bucks.

Tara (01:43:30.133)
absolutely not. Right? Or you can get the commander to just drop this from my record. Cause you know, he fucking loves you.

AJ (01:43:38.104)
So.

AJ (01:43:41.514)
Right? Yeah. Show him the video. See this video? I expect this to be rectified. Thanks. Right?

Tara (01:43:49.64)
Yeah. Move this immediately. my God. But I was like laughing so hard and I was like this poor person. my God.

AJ (01:43:58.438)
yeah.

Tara (01:44:08.177)
you

AJ (01:44:10.346)
Anyway, so Eve, right. So Eve interviews another possible victim, Shana Kay, who also dismisses the warnings despite seeing the pictures of the two previous victims. Then Nadine arrives with Brownies, a camera operator, and Quilla in tow. Quilla tells Eve she toured Andidan and is looking forward to moving there when it opens. Nadine requests

Tara (01:44:12.903)
We’re having too much fun,

AJ (01:44:39.744)
a 30 second report on the homicide bill pen from her when she finishes talking to Eve in her office. And she tells Eve, I’ve either made a brilliant stroke or a terrible mistake. Talking about Cola.

she tells Eve that she and Jake are casual, but in the way that people do when they’re trying to convince themselves. So, Eve saw right through that later on asked Roarke about it. Like, she’s serious about this guy. You looked him up, right? Yeah. so Eve allows Nadine to see her murder board, including the suspect and explains that she’s going to write herself into the dark books.

Tara (01:45:09.843)
Casual, okay.

AJ (01:45:24.888)
giving the killer something to worry about. After the one-on-one with Nadine, she warns two more potential victims and Peabody tells her that she has a lead on the fabric. So even Peabody go to the fabric store, the killer bought five yards of playful penguins fabric on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving from the sewing basket. And…

Tara (01:45:49.063)
The hate for these fucking penguins though. Like I was like, that sounds so c-

AJ (01:45:52.342)
I know, right? I mean, it sounds cute. Well, I mean, but look, you don’t do you make a jacket out of that? If you’re

Tara (01:45:58.641)
I mean, I… It’s a very weird choice. And maybe the jacket itself is ugly. Yeah.

AJ (01:46:02.35)
Well, but it also speaks to the theme. It speaks to the theme. Because as much as she wants to blend in, she also wants to stand out. So this makes her stand out. She found this thing and she decided to use it and it stands out. And that’s one thing that people were like, yeah, I remember that jacket. So she made a mistake there.

Tara (01:46:17.043)
True.

Tara (01:46:28.915)
She’s making so many mistakes. So many mistakes.

AJ (01:46:31.508)
She, yeah. So this part here.

So they’re, they, you know, right up to the sewing basket and they’re about to go in and it’s saying, just from the book, why had she never noticed that buttons with two holes look like faces with empty eyes? Like Eve. Why had she never considered that? I mean, she’s not wrong though. Yeah.

Tara (01:46:56.083)
Eve, why are you thinking so hard? Like, Eve just thinks too hard about stuff. She’s not, but now we all have to think about it. Eve.

AJ (01:47:08.256)
Why had she never considered that big cheerful signs marked sections button world yarn city on needles and pins, but the worst of it, the part that made her back itch were the fake people, men, women, children, even household pets suspended from the ceiling. And they all smiled. Even like the fabric store is like a horror show to Eve, you know.

Tara (01:47:31.493)
It’s right. Eve cannot. She just can’t survive. It’s too much for her.

AJ (01:47:35.936)
It’s like you’re going through, you know, this haunted house, like maze or something like that, you know, on, on Halloween. She’s just walking through a fabric store. She’s walking through Joanne’s and it’s like, you know, yeah. Peabody pressed both of both hands to her chest. my God. And then Eve goes, I know.

Tara (01:47:49.427)
Right? Aw, rip.

AJ (01:48:02.69)
They dress fake people, they give them fake dogs and cats wearing coats and vests and Jesus, little hats. Then they hang them, it’s just sick. And PY is like, how have I missed this place? look at the colors on that Egyptian cotton. It would make a Mag Duvet cover. Maybe it’ll go on sale. and those yarns, the pastels like Easter eggs, spring sweaters. The voice, the eyes sparkled and Eve.

Tara (01:48:05.276)
you

AJ (01:48:30.726)
Had Eve taking a hard grip on Peabody’s arm? No. If I could just, no! Ride your hobby horse off duty.

Tara (01:48:41.501)
Here’s the thing, Eve, I’m sorry, but you should have known better.

AJ (01:48:45.813)
should have. You’re right.

Tara (01:48:47.321)
You should have known better. You take Peabody into that store. What do you think you’re gonna get? What do you think you’re gonna get, lady? Come on.

AJ (01:48:50.35)
Ha

AJ (01:48:54.582)
Right? Yeah. And all those people that hate hearing about Peabody crocheting or whatever are going to be really pissed at that section of this book.

Tara (01:49:04.723)
Sucks, doesn’t it? Just for them, right? We love it. We’re having a grand time.

AJ (01:49:05.784)
So, do you wanna… It does suck. For them, not for us. Yeah. I find it very charming.

Tara (01:49:17.668)
I know.

AJ (01:49:17.902)
So you want to continue with chapter 14?

Tara (01:49:22.119)
Yeah. Chapter 14. Okay. So even Peabody interview the clerk, Carlene, who can’t give them anything else on the killer since it was such a busy day at the store. tells her to let them know if the suspect comes back again. From the book, Kathleen took the card Peabody offered. If she comes in wearing the coat, we won’t miss her. I’ll let the rest of the staff know. Officer Peabody, detective, detective.

sure would want you to have this she offered Peabody a shopping bag. that’s really nice, but we’re not supposed to. She peeked in all but moaned it’s alpaca she murmured as if to a lover as she drew out skeins of soft blue tender rose, cloudy white and fine sand. Sure would set an artist deserves good fresh paint. It’s so thoughtful, so nice, but I really can’t.

I should add sure what owns the store and the alpacas. He’d be very disappointed if you didn’t accept. I I’m looking the other way. Eve grumbled. Really? I’m walking out. If you see her, Eve repeated. Contact me. Peabody gathered the bag to her breast. Please thank him for me. I can’t wait to I can’t wait and I’ll be back off duty. And Eve says, smarter to buy something plain, something unremarkable we have never been able to trace to a vendor.

She buys something unique, noticeable, because under it all, she craves just that being noticed. It’s a weakness. I’ll break her down in the end, which obviously was a little bit later in that scene. But that is Eve repeating AJ’s theme back to us.

AJ (01:51:02.508)
Yeah. Well, it’s my theme because that. Yeah, because yeah.

Tara (01:51:03.731)
But I do love the little exchange because it’s obvious.

Tara (01:51:12.253)
But I do love that exchange. It’s a very cute exchange.

AJ (01:51:15.126)
Yeah. And I love that you just like, I’m looking the other way. Because Eve could be a hard ass and go Peabody.

Tara (01:51:18.323)
I don’t see anything.

Tara (01:51:26.289)
Right? Well, I mean, at Peabody wasn’t going to like, I think it was very clear Peabody had said, I’m not allowed to, you know.

AJ (01:51:31.457)
Yeah.

AJ (01:51:36.608)
Right. And Peabody could have said like, can I come back? Can you save it for me? I’ll come back. But Eve’s like, I’m looking the other way. Just take it. And then later on, I think she says, just put that bag I don’t see in the car. Yeah. Right.

Tara (01:51:42.577)
Yeah, she would have come back.

Tara (01:51:52.019)
All right, put that somewhere. I don’t see it.

AJ (01:51:59.477)
Anyway, so, yeah.

Tara (01:51:59.912)
Great. That’s great. So the next potential victim is an artist named Yola Bloomfield is now clean and sober and remembers seeing the woman with the orange dragon tattoo at one of the clubs she frequents, but can’t remember which one. warns her away and Yola assures her she wouldn’t drink that shit of Hontini if she was still using and stoned stupid. That’s fair.

At one of the clubs Yola mentioned, Screw You, a bartender also remembers the woman with the orange dragon. She has come in a few times, ordered a virgin Moscow mule that she nurses, and doesn’t interact with anyone. He agrees to work with the Yancy on a sketch. Eve decides it’s more about the ex-boyfriend than about the potential victim, so she sends Peabody home to study the parts in Dark Deeds about the rocker and does the same. Chapter 15, at home,

Eve concentrates on finding the rocker X, narrowing it down to four that fit the profile. Eve then shifts her mind from the obsessed skank to the next killer, a saintly, obedient son who’s really a greedy bastard who kills his wealthy mother and pins it on his grew-up sister.

AJ (01:53:15.845)
AJ (01:53:19.406)
I I, yeah. Yeah. mean, it just, that part comes as on a day that’s not particularly me. On a day, yeah.

Tara (01:53:20.915)
Yeah. Anyway.

Tara (01:53:30.195)
Oops.

Yep. On a day that’s right.

There’s that. Roarke gets home from a short trip to Chicago and they settle in by the fire. Over dinner, she tells him about Nadine and Jake. Jake’s pretty settled, but he may know some of the rockers on Eve’s list. She, of course, ran Jake when Nadine first started dating him. So she knows he had, right? Your friend is a cop. You know she’s running your boyfriend. Yeah. And so did Roarke because he’s Roarke. Again, Nadine

AJ (01:53:57.44)
Of course.

AJ (01:54:01.422)
And so did Roarke.

Right? But Roarke ran like full financials and all. He’s just keeping it to himself. If anybody needs this information, he’ll have it.

Tara (01:54:10.437)
Right? It’s like, because he’s Roarke. Exactly. Just in case. I’ve got that. Did you need that? I’ve got it. Do you want it?

AJ (01:54:18.062)
Just a guess.

Hahaha

Tara (01:54:26.223)
Just just let me know Let’s see so Eve knows that Jake had an arrest 15 years ago for assault disturbing the peace and destruction of property But all charges were dropped as numerous witnesses witness statements and three videos clearly showed the drunk asshole He eventually ass kicked dog he eventually asked him dogging him taking a couple of swings at him and jumping him from behind

AJ (01:54:29.517)
Yeah.

Tara (01:54:56.101)
Other than that, he has a lot of speeding tickets and he bought his mother a house when Avenue A’s first record hit big. He owns a converted warehouse downtown on Avenue A and outfitted it into a recording studio slash apartment. Eve also tells Roarke about Nadine taking on Quilla as an intern and Quilla’s take on Andidan, especially the rooftop memorial.

Eve thinks that to the killer, all the skanks are interchangeable, especially since they all sleep with the same rockers, go to the same clubs, compete or hang out, etc. Whereas in the book, the victim was in a serious, if twisted and unhealthy relationship. Since the killer isn’t part of that world, she can’t absorb the role as well as the others. Eve has worked take the male rockers, looking for who has shagged whom.

and rating their musical ability since the guy in the book had some charm and talent. To clarify, I’m rating the Wankers on their level of potential as musicians and human beings if and when they cease the smoking, swallowing, guzzling, popping, and chasing themselves into a dick.

Eve tries to contact the potential victims again, starting with Loxie Flash, who gives her a bang-bragg list, then lights up a joint of Zoner, pours a drink of vodka, and switches on the porn channel. She’s bemoaning the poor state of her finances and wondering how she can get out of New York for the rest of the winter when she receives a text to come to screw you that G-Man, her ex, just walked in. She thinks it’s from Janice, who supplies her with illegals.

thinks about Eve’s warnings and makes the wise decision, no, that’s not right. She heads for the club. Yola, who also received a call from Eve, considers going out, receives the same text locks he did, and also decides to head to Scroogeo for a couple of hours. Eve is delighted to learn that of all the skanks, the least skanky and most sensible one is the one who was wearing cock and ball earrings at Central the other day.

Tara (01:57:02.329)
She has only been with three of the rockers on Eve’s List and went to her mother’s place in New Jersey to avoid being killed.

AJ (01:57:09.624)
Let’s share some sense.

Tara (01:57:11.601)
Yeah, Roarke’s top pick is Adam Glazer, Elaxi’s ex, and lead singer and vocals for The Glaze, which records at Jake’s studio, Eastside’s Downs. Eve gets a whispered call from Brad Smithers at Screw You, letting her know Blue Dreads is there. So she and Roarke head over. A lot of action in this chapter.

AJ (01:57:35.532)
Yeah. Yeah.

Tara (01:57:36.615)
setting up for even more action in the next chapter.

AJ (01:57:39.232)
Right?

Tara (01:57:42.17)
AJ (01:57:42.222)
Do you want me to take the next two chapters?

Tara (01:57:45.459)
Sure, I just would like to comment like, I’m sorry. Do you really need to go out that badly? Like I’m just wow that

AJ (01:57:55.756)
I do not understand that life. That is not a life I want. I’m not putting anyone down who does that, well, maybe I don’t. Whatever makes you happy.

Tara (01:58:00.099)
Not at all. Not at all. That is fucking wild.

No, sure. Yeah, go for it.

Yeah, it’s just, that is wild, man.

AJ (01:58:14.528)
I always, but I always read the, guess I’m being extra judgy or whatever, but I always read these things and think, are these people happy? Do they? Cause they always seem like they’re not that happy. I don’t know.

Tara (01:58:28.189)
For me, guess it’s like you were literally told like for a couple days could just don’t do this thing. And then like how dumb it is that she like, like go to a club that’s like completely out. If you were like, I wanna go to a club, you text Janice back and be like, I’m going to a different place. Now, obviously Janice is not really Janice and the killer.

AJ (01:58:38.787)
Right.

AJ (01:58:56.568)
Right.

Tara (01:58:57.137)
was there, but they probably weren’t sticking around waiting for a response. So then the real Janice could have seen that and been like, Loxy’s going out to this place. But honestly, like, you’re in New York City, bitch. There’s got to be so many places. I’m just saying. Or I don’t know, you could fucking stay home because the police officer who aren’t you just a little like interested, like,

AJ (01:59:01.346)
No.

AJ (01:59:12.462)
There’s like tons and tons and tons of places.

Tara (01:59:25.403)
I’m potentially a target, even if you think that that is bogus as hell, like, aren’t you not the most obsessed with you of any other people on the planet? Like, you know, this woman is clearly like an egomaniac. Why would you not be like, my God, someone could possibly like want to kill me. And why don’t you, I don’t know, Google that shit. I’m just like, it’s so wild that you would not be like this woman. And then you get on there.

AJ (01:59:40.844)
Right.

AJ (01:59:47.977)
Hahaha

AJ (01:59:52.376)
Google that shit.

Tara (01:59:54.662)
And you see Eve Dallas, that is, that bitch is the real deal. Like, like not just that she’s the real deal because she’s a cop, she’s Eve Dallas. Like she is a big fucking deal. Like all of that’s there for you. All of that’s there for you. When Roarke at the end of this is like, you shouldn’t blame yourself. She’s like, I don’t, this dumb bitch just, like she had all she needed. And she’s like.

AJ (01:59:59.64)
Right.

AJ (02:00:10.19)
prayer.

AJ (02:00:17.334)
hahahaha

Tara (02:00:21.519)
She I that’s that’s terrible. But like you did that to yourself, ma’am

AJ (02:00:21.87)
Tried to tell her. Tried to tell her. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Tara (02:00:29.711)
It’s, it’s rough, sucks to suck, I guess. Anyway, like, not that I think it’s okay that someone died or she was killed, but like, I think it’s so crazy. But there are people like that out there. Nora’s not writing, like, something that’s so bizarre and out of left field, unfortunately, so.

AJ (02:00:34.158)
So.

AJ (02:00:40.79)
Right. It’s still a tragedy. Still horrible.

AJ (02:00:52.818)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, I can read the next two and then you can like take day three.

Tara (02:00:57.651)
So yeah, all right. Yeah, if you want to read the next part.

AJ (02:01:08.726)
Okay, Chapter 16. Loxie pops a tab of buzz and walks into the club. She spots Glaze in a VIP booth with his bass player, his manager and a woman she doesn’t recognize. She comes onto him and belatedly realizes he’s not drinking alcohol. She heads to her friend’s table. How dare he not drink alcohol?

Tara (02:01:32.529)
I know, wow.

AJ (02:01:35.35)
She heads to her friend’s table, disappointed that Glaze isn’t watching her. To counter that, she gra- and he is kind of, but he’s like thinking how sad it is, which we were just talking about. To counter that, she grabs a random drink off the table, drinks it, and doesn’t notice the killer sitting at the end of the bar. She has another tab of buzz, pulls a guy up to grind dance with her.

Tara (02:01:36.166)
It’s a mess.

Tara (02:01:46.344)
Right.

AJ (02:02:01.634)
This time Glaze is looking at her with pity so she ups her performance. She sees Glaze signal for the check and she grabs up the martini glass filled with deep red and drained it. That sounds bad for her.

Tara (02:02:18.739)
Yep, it’s not gonna work out for her.

AJ (02:02:22.126)
The band plays one of Glaze’s hits. She sees the killer out of the corner of her eye, which reminds her that she wasn’t supposed to drink the Palmtini.

She tries to scream. Well, you know, she’s all obsessive about glaze and how she’s wanting him to look at her. And she’s like, yeah, she’s not thinking.

Tara (02:02:36.113)
get

Tara (02:02:41.477)
I know, and also she’s…

See? Men aren’t worth it. Sorry.

AJ (02:02:52.942)
you know, yeah. the band plays when a glazes hits and she sees the killer out of the corner of her eye, which reminds her that she wasn’t supposed to drink the pontini. She tries to scream, grabs her dance partner who thinks she’s requesting that he dry hump her. You know, because yeah. when she goes limp, this guy hauls her over to her booth where she rolls onto the floor, seizes and dies.

The killer turns to leave and sees the bartender staring straight at her with a link in his hand. She grabs somebody’s coat and sprints through the kitchen out the back. Once she’s out of sight of the club, she removes her dreads and shoves them into a recycler. walks into the club but knows it’s too late. Brad was on a break when a very inexperienced bartender got busy and forgot she wasn’t supposed to mix a palm teeny for a lady with red hair.

and blue dreads, how do you forget that? There might be a killing in our bar tonight and it’s gonna be this drink and a lady that looks like this is gonna ask for it. So please do not make that drink. How do you forget that?

Tara (02:03:55.077)
Is that?

Tara (02:04:05.105)
Right? yeah, like if you hear Pompini, are you not going to go, okay, I’m going to wait, hold on. Yeah.

AJ (02:04:12.43)
wait a minute. It’s not it’s like somebody told you that somebody might be killed. Like, that’s not just like, hey, can you please not make a palm teeny for anyone tonight? Sure. Like, no, it’s like this was very specific instructions this person was given. Yeah. But damn.

Tara (02:04:26.417)
Yeah. I mean.

That one was very specific. I don’t I don’t mean to be a bitch about it, but yeah.

AJ (02:04:41.046)
As soon as Brad got back, he saw the killer and called Eve, but the killer saw him do that and escaped out the back. Eve interviews the group that was with Loxie, Janice Dorsey, who said the texts couldn’t have been from her because she always signs her texts. Jadar, Bernie, Jadar. Okay. Benny, who, the guy who was dry humping Loxie.

Tara (02:04:41.927)
Yeah.

Tara (02:05:01.521)
Okay. So sure.

AJ (02:05:09.132)
while she was dying, Dodo, Nef said, and Silvio, who remembered seeing the killer deliver the fatal drink because she had small tits and was able to describe the bad hair because he’s a hair designer to those who rock. Right. Chapter 17, Eve studies the security feed, seeing the killer enter wearing her hat and goggles, a dark knee length coat.

Tara (02:05:26.355)
Specifically to those who rock.

AJ (02:05:38.894)
with glittery braiding and a large shoulder bag. At the exit, she still has the purse but is now carrying the coat she swiped from Janice. Eve has brought contact cab companies for pickups within a 10 block radius. McNabb gets the feed from the Transit Authority and Peabody looks for the coat the killer left behind. So everybody’s got a job to do.

The code is very well made so they know she has a professional machine and some serious skills. Eve interviews Adam Glazier who was there with his girlfriend and some bandmates. Coming to Screw You was a test for him to see if he could be in a club near music, be around people, drinking and popping without relapsing. When he heard Janice laughing maniacally, he looked over and saw Loxy on the floor. He yelled for his bass player to call

911 and he went over to her but couldn’t find a pulse. After Eve describes the killer, Glaze realizes he saw her outside of Jake’s studio a couple times, including that afternoon. He had figured that she was stalking Jake. Eve assures Glaze that the killer is done with the scenario and has moved on. McNabb finds the train the killer took home and Peabody sends the coat to Harvo for analysis.

Eve orders a search on recyclers between the club and the train station. They watch the killer reach for her subway card, but then put cash in the machine for a new one-trip swipe. Eve recreates the scene at the club, realizing that the killer wanted to be seen this time, and likely was, meaning she will want to be seen during her next kill also.

Eve is frustrated. She had to do one fucking thing to stay alive, stay out of the club. I told her the drink to avoid. She drinks it anyway. She’s a goddamn accessory to her own murder and now she’s mine. Well, I, you know.

Tara (02:07:38.995)
I mean, I, yes, you’re right Eve. She is an accessory to her own murder. Fucking idiot. It’s harsh, but it’s not wrong.

AJ (02:07:43.406)
That’s pretty harsh. Yeah.

It’s not wrong.

Tara (02:07:57.012)
That’s a great line. I was like, yeah.

So anyway, that was only day two. So day three. Well, a happens to day three, too, so we’re just keeping it fun. Day three, chapter 18, woke up from a dream where Loxie Flash was bitching about being dead. Everybody’s fault but hers. Eve and Roarke have shower sex. So much sex in this book. People are going to be mad.

AJ (02:08:06.176)
Right? A lot happened.

AJ (02:08:13.646)
All right?

AJ (02:08:26.092)
Right? I know they really are gonna be mad about it.

Tara (02:08:29.395)
Over breakfast she asks him to look for rich old ladies with a greedy murderous son who plays the biddable and a daughter who can be framed. Morris can’t give her much more than she already knew on Loxy and when she and Peabody get to Central a flying dwarf slams into Peabody with Eve taking a couple of blows before straining him. Out of nowhere. That was like, I was like, what the fuck?

AJ (02:08:54.134)
Right.

Tara (02:08:55.667)
I was with them on that when they were like, what the fuck just happened? I was like, yeah, me too. Me too. I’m also wondering what the fuck just happened. Nadine has brought Jake in the central to meet with Eve. Glaze has turned his life around and Loxy was a big pothole in that road, but he went around it. Loxy was one prime bitch, selfish, mean as a rattler with no sense of loyalty, who wanted Glaze more than he no longer wanted her more after he no longer wanted her.

AJ (02:08:59.47)
Great. Yeah.

Tara (02:09:25.159)
She also made moves on Avenue A’s married drummer, Rocky, but he didn’t move back on and on him, ditto. He ran into her a few days ago and they had hard words. He saw her on security at the studio coming to see Glaze and he went to the door and told her to leave, declining her offer of a blowjob. I thought too much of my dick to have her mouth on it. Right? She’s so classy. Also though, Jake, this line, I thought too much of my dick to have her mouth on it.

AJ (02:09:44.714)
She’s very classy.

AJ (02:09:53.729)
You

Tara (02:09:56.027)
And he told Loxy if she came back, right? Yes.

AJ (02:09:56.386)
Well, mean, I, look, Tara, after he’s had Nadine’s mouth on it, like nobody else.

Tara (02:10:04.507)
Right? Come on.

AJ (02:10:08.012)
Yeah, that’s just, just how it is. Right.

Tara (02:10:09.927)
This fucking girl, she’s messy. So he told Loxy if she came back, he’d twist her up. He also saw the killer a couple times. Eve gives Nadine a tip on the hair and the stolen mink hoodie, no sense letting her enjoy it, and brings Jake to Yancey.

AJ (02:10:28.238)
So the one thing I didn’t put here was that whole part where, I mean, they’re leaving the bullpen and he’s like, so there’s a guy in there wearing a cowboy hat and another guy with this loud tie. And she’s like, yeah, that’s my bullpen. then at a certain, right. And at a certain point, this lady very much like the dog to Eve.

Tara (02:10:41.544)
Yeah

Tara (02:10:46.405)
Yeah, there’s like, those are cops?

AJ (02:10:56.824)
tries to run up to Jake and tell him how much she loves him. And he was like, no, you know. Right. And she’s like, does that happen often? He’s like, yeah, well, I am a rock star.

Tara (02:10:59.915)
yeah.

Tara (02:11:04.691)
because she’s an alpha. So it was great. It was great.

Tara (02:11:13.553)
Right. And he’s she’s like, yeah, well, around here, around here, we get random, you know, people just slamming people in the elevator. So, you know, it’s normal shit. It was so random anyway. So Chapter 19, Yancey is working with Brad, the bartender, and Jake joins in refining the sketch, calling the killer a fader.

AJ (02:11:24.461)
Yeah.

Tara (02:11:42.639)
Eve reassures Brad that he’s helping stop her before she kills another person and that he did exactly right by tagging her as soon as he saw her. Nadine requests, yeah.

AJ (02:11:50.414)
So, sorry, it just came to me like, again, I do wonder if she had somebody in mind, like somebody that she didn’t know as for the killer because they’re doing a lot of talking about how this woman isn’t like, isn’t somebody you’d notice, is somebody that’s kind of not great looking, who’s kind of a fader in Jake’s, you know, like somebody’s like a wannabe.

Tara (02:12:14.515)
Yeah.

AJ (02:12:20.086)
You know, and I’m the whole time I’m reading this, going like, I have to wonder if she had somebody in mind.

Tara (02:12:27.379)
I listen, I wouldn’t be surprised.

AJ (02:12:30.732)
Yeah. But maybe not. don’t know. Anyway.

Tara (02:12:35.667)
Well, remember, she is the writer of lots and lots and lots of books. So she’s while we are creative individuals, she’s way more creative than we are. So. So maybe there’s that to think about. I’ll try that. I’ll use that. So that. So this is from the book when Nadine requests the sketch. Don’t tell me you got her. You got her.

AJ (02:12:44.404)
Yeah, that is true. OK.

AJ (02:12:53.486)
Okay.

Tara (02:13:03.119)
You said don’t tell you Eve hopped on the glide. Nadine reversed course hopped on behind her. Let me see her. No, goddamn it, Dallas. You can’t broadcast the sketch unless the commander gives it a green. And he’s not going to give it a green at this time. If I broadcast it odds are somebody seen her and can lead you to her. Odds are shorter she rabbits and I don’t have her in the box. If I don’t have her in the box or a cage within 36. That’s another story. It’s my story.

my case. Your case my story they’re not opposed. I damn well helped you get this far this fast. We’ll get your story when I close my case. Jesus you guys are sexy. Sorry Jake said without a hint of remorse when they both blasted him with stares. Thinking out loud but facts are facts sexy is sexy. Do you ever go at each other like that when you’re you know more casually attired?

AJ (02:13:58.946)
Jake.

Tara (02:13:59.379)
Jake, it’s like we cloned Roarke and made him a rock star because Roarke, it’s there.

AJ (02:14:01.932)
You

Right, exactly. That’s who Jake is. We cloned Rorik and made him a rock star.

Tara (02:14:10.867)
Don’t respond, Nadine said it only encourages him. See previous statement.

AJ (02:14:18.196)
Hahaha

Tara (02:14:20.699)
Run with what you’ve got, Eve advised, and within 36, less, she thought, less. You’ll have the rest. With that, she vaulted over the side of the glide, dropped down two feet, and bolted. Nadine hissed after her. Jake grinned, I like her. Of course you do. Yeah. Yeah. So then Eve thinks that Strongbow has established herself as a seamstress.

AJ (02:14:35.726)
Yeah, we all like her. Well, all sane people like Eve.

Tara (02:14:49.649)
And her next target is one of the rich women she sows for. So she visits Feeney, who was hurt and pissed she let Shaikh leave the house without meeting him. Yeah, he is not at all pleased. She’s like, I’m sorry I was thinking about my job.

AJ (02:14:58.101)
Yeah.

AJ (02:15:02.81)
No, and I didn’t, right? Yeah, he, I was trying to find that scene and it’s just not.

Tara (02:15:12.371)
Yeah, he’s. He is mad. So anyway, so she calls Nadine to fix this and Santiago is extra sulky because not only did he not only didn’t he get to meet Delano, but he didn’t get to meet Jake either. So after a quick rally, she sends Carmichael and Santiago to Brooklyn to see if the Delanos or any neighborhood shops recognize the killer from the sketch.

AJ (02:15:42.616)
Well, she’s throwing a Santiago little bone. can, he can at least meet, you know, Delano. He’ll meet Jake later. Chill.

Tara (02:15:42.74)
So she you know, Eve’s making friends. Yeah Delano Just right. It’s not like listen. Yeah like You guys will be fine So then Leonardo comes in with Mavis and Bella and they head to Eve’s office where Bella learns some new words shit and bitch

AJ (02:15:59.692)
Yeah.

AJ (02:16:09.623)
You

Tara (02:16:11.473)
And Leonardo practically passes out upon seeing the murder board. He explains that most tailors do side work getting off the books clients from people you do alterations for in the shop you work at being careful not to be fired for poaching. The facial recognition hits and they have the bitch and Elizabeth Smith average name average face. She just has nothing going for her. Kind of feel bad, but she’s horrible. So can’t really feel that bad.

AJ (02:16:35.63)
She is average.

Right. Yeah.

Tara (02:16:41.107)
would have otherwise. So anyway, so Officer Shelby has a friend who works at Dobbs where Smith is listed as working. But it turns out Smith quit that job almost a year ago. Jill, who is Officer Shelby’s friend, says that she was, I did. Yeah, so we’re in chapter 20 now. I like skipped the chapter 20 part. So yeah, so this boring, and Annalise Smith, chapter 20.

AJ (02:16:43.63)
Hahaha

AJ (02:16:56.39)
you missed a whole part up here. Smith is 42.

AJ (02:17:06.038)
Hahaha

Tara (02:17:10.739)
is 42. She worked at her seamstress mother’s shop in Delaware. Her mother remarried and moved, leaving her as manager but not real owner, and then closed the shop when Smith moved to Brooklyn two years ago. Eve tags Feeney to request an eGeek. He’s frosty until she gives him the address for Jake’s recording studio, telling him Jake didn’t have time to come back to Central but is expecting Feeney during his afternoon recording session. He tells her, you didn’t fix it, you killed it.

So she has resolved both of her issues with everyone, being mad that she was doing her job and not letting people meet people. So.

AJ (02:17:42.616)
She has.

AJ (02:17:48.618)
And he tells her that it’s the best freaking day of his life and don’t tell his wife and his grandkids he said that.

Tara (02:17:52.839)
don’t tell his wife and his children. So he was like, yeah, you know, I’m not going to it’s fine. So anyway, sorry. So then, yeah, so now we’re talking about Officer Shelby’s friend, Jill, who works at Dobbs, who, which was where she had worked before. And so Jill said that she was good at her job and she was fast, but she was weird. And she wouldn’t be surprised if Smith had done something whacked. They…

AJ (02:18:00.887)
Yeah.

AJ (02:18:08.088)
Mm-hmm.

AJ (02:18:20.302)
Okay. It’s just those people.

Tara (02:18:22.609)
I mean, okay, this. Yeah, so this woman has clearly not gotten away with not being noticed, that’s for sure. So they plan a takedown of her at her apartment in Brooklyn, but instead scare a woman half to death because Smith hasn’t lived there in almost a year. She found out from the apartment, she found out about the apartment being available for the woman who lived directly under it. If anybody knows anything about anybody, it’s Mrs. Waterstone.

AJ (02:18:25.581)
You

AJ (02:18:29.313)
Right, exactly.

Tara (02:18:53.405)
So then they go and talk to Mrs. Waterstone, who says, Smith was a little mouse who wouldn’t say boo to a goose, whatever the hell that means, which is fair. That is really dumb saying. And don’t say anything to a goose. That thing will kill you. And so she said that Smith was sneaky, unfriendly, and just unhappy, and never once brought anyone home or had a visitor. She summed her up as spurtive.

AJ (02:19:03.054)
It is a really dumb thing.

AJ (02:19:08.839)
It- yes.

Tara (02:19:22.299)
She had recalled that Smith, she recalled Smith coming in one day carrying a package and mad crying as opposed to heartbroken crying. She asked her what was wrong like you do and Smith yelled at her, told her to mind her own damn business and she could hear her slamming around stomping around for a good hour afterward. She warns even Peabody to be careful of Smith. There’s a bad temper inside the little mouse. She carried a cloud with her and sooner or later clouds break into a storm.

That’s poetic. She should be a writer. Better writer than this woman. I’m going to keep going. Chapter 21.

AJ (02:19:54.19)
There you go. Right?

AJ (02:20:00.686)
I mean, yeah, you can keep, you can, do you want to finish it out or is that too much? I mean, there’s not much left. I just find it very, very, I mean, we’ve said it like a million times already in this episode, but I just find it so interesting how Nora’s written this to at any time where, Strongbow thinks she’s

Tara (02:20:05.629)
Sure, okay, that’s fine.

AJ (02:20:26.408)
not going to be noticed or purposely trying to not be noticed she’s being noticed. I just find that little detail like so brilliant, you know.

Tara (02:20:31.283)
Absolutely.

Tara (02:20:36.347)
It is brilliant. And it also just makes you think of like, I mean…

we actually see so much of that in in the killers in the series is like the way that they work hard to not not be caught obviously and then so many times there have been very very very useful like witnesses that have helped Eve get to where she needs to go which is obviously how it works in real life too so yeah it’s really funny

AJ (02:20:47.757)
Yeah.

AJ (02:21:03.96)
Right.

AJ (02:21:10.828)
Yeah, it absolutely does work like that in real life.

Tara (02:21:14.739)
So sucks to suck. Like I said before. So anyway, Chapter 21. calendar finds some writing websites where Smith had posted in the past, but no surprise, she didn’t take criticism well and pulled her work. What? Eve tags Rorke to run Smith’s financials. At Dobbs, Eve talks to the staff and alterations. The consensus is

AJ (02:21:17.783)
Mm-hmm.

AJ (02:21:32.246)
What?

Tara (02:21:44.207)
Smith kept to herself, didn’t participate in activities and was writing a book. One seamstress had walked in on Smith typing on her tablet. Another of the seamstresses saw her a couple months ago and waved hello to her, but Smith walked away, hurting her feelings. At the time, which was the first Saturday in December, Smith was wearing her bulky penguin coat and had changed her hair to short and bright red. I also loved the

the one man who worked in this department who was also clearly not a fan. He was like, I’m sorry, but she was a bitch. And I was like, yep, leave it. Leave it to the clearly gay man. She’d be like, y’all, let’s just say what we know. She was a bitch. You didn’t actually like her. What are you talking about? He was funny. Anyway.

AJ (02:22:18.702)
Yeah. Yeah, what?

AJ (02:22:27.51)
Yeah, she was a bitch. Yeah.

AJ (02:22:34.506)
Right? Yeah. But isn’t that always the way like somebody leaves and they’re like, yeah, but that person…

Tara (02:22:42.547)
You’re like, no, no, we’re not sad. Yeah, like you’re not sad. Stop it. Stop.

AJ (02:22:44.18)
No, none of you like that person. Stop. Yeah.

Tara (02:22:53.395)
So Peabody and Calendar agree that Smith used a temp home dye that washed out after a few times to economize and will now change her hair to dark brown, curly, past the jawline to be the fourth killer and add that to the list of people that the canvassers are asking about. Back at Central, has Yancey change Smith’s sketch tweet 35 year old Ben with dark curly hair and dark blue eyes.

Tara (02:23:24.764)
Roarke is in Eve’s office, having traced Smith’s monetary journey. She is now living off the grid, i.e. only taking cash jobs and paying cash for rent and expenses. Eve gets a list of Smith’s off-the-books customers from her former supervisor at Dobbs and matches Natalia Durbin-Burkle to her list of possible victims for the fourth murder. Roarke knows her a little, so they head there.

AJ (02:23:51.022)
Because Roarke knows every damn body.

Tara (02:23:52.967)
Roarke knows every damn body.

AJ (02:23:55.438)
Which is, which is in earlier in the book, how they, um, excluded the first victims ex boyfriend, because the ex boyfriend was filming somewhere and Rorke’s like, uh, think I can track him down. It ends up that a friend of Rorke’s is the like producer or something like that. And then Rorke has to sit there and listen to, you know, him going on and on and on about this production. And when, you know, Rorke is like, yeah, you owe me one for that.

Tara (02:24:14.119)
Yeah.

Tara (02:24:21.619)
You owe me.

AJ (02:24:24.768)
I had to sit there and listen to that guy go on and on about his production that I didn’t care about. So. Yes, Lily. Yeah, we’re almost there, hun. I know. I know. Yeah. Yeah.

Tara (02:24:30.466)
I didn’t care about so Lily we’re almost there

Tara (02:24:38.469)
awww

Tara (02:24:42.149)
Okay, Chapter 22. Okay, Lily, it’s okay. Although Burkle fits the profile of the fourth victim, her son has already left for their Kauai estate for two and a half weeks with Burkle, her daughter, and her daughter’s family to follow the next day. They move their plans up a day just in case but realize that the true victim will be Burkle’s oldest friend, Felicity Lamare.

AJ (02:24:48.843)
you

Tara (02:25:10.663)
whom she recommended Smith to, was widowed six years ago and has a son and daughter. The fearless crew head over to prevent the fourth murder. Santiago has found Smith’s whole a flop in Brownsville a few blocks from Yolanda’s sighting fourth floor unit. A neighbor reported that she left about a half an hour before carrying her big sewing kit and dressed as a male with curly brown hair. Eve has them get a warrant for for entry search and seizure.

and leave a watch on the street in case she comes back. Eve startles LaMare’s housekeeper who tells them Smith is on the second floor with Felicity, fitting clothes for her. When she goes upstairs, Smith and Felicity both see her in the mirror, holding her stunner. Smith holds scissors to Felicity’s throat, saying, I’ll slice her throat, drop the weapon or the bitch dies. Eve tells her that’s bad dialogue and cliched. Eve tells her if she’s Calvin Underwood to show her

AJ (02:26:04.567)
You

Tara (02:26:07.431)
to show her dick, otherwise she’s under arrest. She tells Eve, fuck you, and Felicity rants her with her elbow, knocking her down, breaking your triple mirror, 21 years bad luck, adding that it takes her back to when she was counterintelligence during the Urbans. What a icon. You’re like, God. Ugh, she’s so great.

AJ (02:26:23.928)
Well, there you go, another, right?

AJ (02:26:33.838)
Get for her.

Tara (02:26:35.513)
I know right Felicity contacts Burkle to let her know Felicity Peabody contacts Burkle to let her know Felicity is safe and they go downstairs to explain everything Eve lets Santiago know Smith is secure and he gives her a sneak peek of Smith’s apartment with pictures of selected victims past and future including alternates Burkle was the alternate to Felicity drawings of her outfits as the killer in each case Delano’s picture after the eight targets

followed by Eve’s as the final chapter where Smith as officer Lucy Borgia kills her and some souvenirs from her kills. Just, know, right? I just love how it all comes together right here is great. So yeah, so she does that. then chapter 23, Eve tells Peabody she can go home, has decided.

AJ (02:27:14.414)
Best of luck.

AJ (02:27:19.982)
Yeah.

Tara (02:27:30.001)
At the end of story should be called Dark Justice, the final chapter and sticks. Smith whines about her mother not encouraging her dreams and how she made Delano’s cardboard characters real. thinks Smith will get maximum security, but probably a ward for mental defectives. Peabody, McNabb and Callender go for libations and chow while even Roarke have pizza and Pepsi in her office as she writes up the report. She decides murderers should be punished by never getting to eat pizza again and they close the book on the case.

Norris pun, not mine. They do. They do. I. The. They’re like the the interrogation where she basically just talks about herself and you doesn’t really have to ask any questions. And like, I just love how Eve is like. You like when she tells her how how she planned to kill Eve, it’s like, yeah, I would not do that.

AJ (02:28:00.846)
There you go.

Tara (02:28:28.913)
You never would have killed me that way. Like, it’s so funny. It was a good inter… I loved reading that interrogation scene. So.

AJ (02:28:29.134)
Right. Yeah.

AJ (02:28:37.72)
Yeah.

Yeah, and she’s crazy. She’s saying Blaine Delano stole from her.

Tara (02:28:45.683)
She’s, yeah, she’s, yeah, she’s unwell mentally.

AJ (02:28:52.344)
Her book is groundbreaking.

Tara (02:28:55.059)
You know.

AJ (02:28:56.098)
And of course, Eve is saying, Peabody says, it’s perfect cure for insomnia. I was nodding off by page two.

Tara (02:29:01.725)
yeah, they…

They like went for it, man. They were harsh, which they should have been, because she’s fucking insane.

AJ (02:29:10.19)
And then Anne told them, you know nothing about literature, neither of you.

Tara (02:29:19.271)
Ha ha ha!

AJ (02:29:23.438)
So, yeah, you know, crazy.

Tara (02:29:24.348)
Yup.

sad because I really think I’ve only read this book once and I really enjoyed it. And I’m like,

AJ (02:29:32.476)
It was a really good book. It really is.

Tara (02:29:34.579)
I will look forward to reading it again someday.

AJ (02:29:39.885)
Yeah.

Tara (02:29:39.955)
But yeah, I enjoyed it. Really did not remember much about it.

AJ (02:29:43.616)
So.

Yeah, me either. again, it’s the same with secrets, you know, I mean, I didn’t remember much about it, but I really, really liked it. So. OK, so commendations.

Tara (02:29:48.091)
Ahem.

Tara (02:29:51.891)
secrets, yeah.

Tara (02:29:56.839)
Yeah, me too.

you

Felicity.

I mean, Felicity, duh.

AJ (02:30:09.801)
Yeah. Terra’s like, yeah, she was a badass.

Tara (02:30:13.811)
She was a badass, like, And I love that at the end of the book Eve says to Roarke, like, she did not, she would have been fine. That is not a lady that gets pushed down the stairs. I was like, you right, Eve.

AJ (02:30:26.602)
No. You are so right.

Tara (02:30:31.611)
You know what? You know what would have like I would I would not have minded this being the ending either that they just get to the house. They scare the housekeeper and because, you know, she’s obviously working and then they go upstairs and they’re like creeping up there. Yeah, they break in. But then they creep upstairs like they’re going to like surprise and and Felicity and they just find and passed out on the floor because Felicity’s beating the shit out of her.

AJ (02:30:44.014)
Well, first of all, because they just break in. Yeah.

Yeah.

AJ (02:30:56.36)
hahahahah

Tara (02:31:00.283)
And she’s like trying to calm herself down enough to call the police. She’s like, God, you’re here. Like that also would have been a very satisfying ending. But Eve getting to see her kick her ass, absolutely. It was grand.

AJ (02:31:04.753)
Hahaha

AJ (02:31:08.451)
Yeah.

AJ (02:31:16.151)
Yeah.

So there you go. I am going to give my accommodation to Jake, of course.

Tara (02:31:25.971)
I knew I was like, knew it was gonna be Jake. I mean, he did fucking great. He did great shit.

AJ (02:31:29.23)
Well, yeah.

AJ (02:31:33.442)
Yeah. He, he, know, did he didn’t do a lot in this book, but he did help them come up with a better sketch that gave them, you know, more information on the killer. So which and he sketched it himself. So he’s an artist as well. Yeah, I just think that he did a great job. Overall, just great.

Tara (02:31:38.567)
Ahem.

Tara (02:31:46.919)
That’s a big fucking deal. Yeah.

Tara (02:31:53.778)
Right.

Tara (02:31:58.994)
I mean, he’s also just great.

Tara (02:32:04.691)
Can I give like a secondary combination to Nadine? Not just because she’s hooked up with Jake, who’s great, but at the very beginning, when she brings Delano in to meet Eve, just like, her integrity is really very obvious in those moments. And I just thought that that was just a nice reminder of

AJ (02:32:08.568)
Sure.

AJ (02:32:12.566)
Mm-hmm

Tara (02:32:35.441)
you know, of what reporters are really about. And I just love that she continues to stick to that level of integrity. And it was just I remember I remember when I read that in those many chapters ago, because I just finished my reread yesterday. But I just remember being like, yeah, Nadine, thank you for being awesome. secondary accommodation for Nadine.

AJ (02:32:38.967)
Yeah.

AJ (02:33:01.422)
Hahaha

AJ (02:33:06.274)
Good job, Nadine.

Tara (02:33:08.435)
Right.

AJ (02:33:09.652)
by the way, this has nothing to with the, the episode Tara, but, my customer has said that helps a lot. Thanks. Approved it on the site. So it’s good job. did that. I thought I’m going to put together this show this woman exactly what everything’s supposed to look like.

Tara (02:33:14.087)
Yeah.

Tara (02:33:18.301)
Good job.

Tara (02:33:31.667)
thought of everything.

AJ (02:33:33.566)
I did think of everything. end up it’s because I’ve gotten that customer already before once where she was putting together a book and she’s like, but I don’t understand what this looks like. That looks like, where’s the part where it’s going to like, you know, what is it going to look? And I was like, okay, I’m going to put this together for this person so that she sees everything exactly. You know, and when I did that, that person’s like, this is amazing. I can, I understand completely what’s happening now. So.

in this situation, I was like, okay, well, I’m to do a similar thing just in case, because a lot of times people have no idea, like, why is this this way? So there you go. Yeah. There we go. Okay, so where are we in this? Are we on to podcast business, I guess?

Tara (02:34:03.987)
So smart.

Tara (02:34:13.947)
No, so smart. Good job. I’m glad it was successful.

Tara (02:34:28.475)
Yeah, I think so unless there’s anything else about the did our accommodations. Yeah, it was great fun.

AJ (02:34:32.814)
I don’t think so. think we pretty much covered it. We did accommodations. It really was. It was, it was great fun. I’m sure it was very fun for Nora to write. You know, I think that it might’ve exercised some kind of thing inside of her that she needed to get out. You know? So, good for her. She does deserve it.

Tara (02:34:44.339)
Yes.

Tara (02:34:55.045)
Yeah, and she deserves that. And I definitely don’t think that my brain went that direction the first time I read it, probably because we weren’t doing review the reviews and noticing the number of people out there, you know, saying that she had a ghostwriter. So

AJ (02:35:09.416)
No. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like we did talk about it a little bit, like it would, it would have probably been just before the in death.net shut down because this was, but I feel like we did have those discussions because we probably, yeah, we probably had the first chapter because she usually does that releases the first chapter and

Tara (02:35:25.403)
Yeah.

Tara (02:35:29.991)
feel like you talked about it on the forum, yeah.

AJ (02:35:38.27)
And we had the, you know, the description. So we probably talked about it on the website that, yeah, this is obviously Nora, like clapping back at some of her critics.

So.

Okie doke. So I guess podcast business.

AJ (02:37:01.93)
Okay, so podcast business. And we do have a new patron.

Tara (02:37:09.019)
awesome.

AJ (02:37:10.763)
Our new patron is Anne.

Tara (02:37:15.247)
Yay.

AJ (02:37:15.602)
Anne has is a detective level patron. So thanks, Anne. I need to make a note for myself that I need to start sending some of these new people the cards.

Send new. Sorry, I’m making a note to myself.

Tara (02:37:40.313)
that’s important.

AJ (02:37:48.622)
Because I think one person has already asked when she’s getting her trading cards.

So yeah, not Anne. my goodness. Is it Anne? Yes, Anne became a new member. Okay, good. So.

Tara (02:38:05.681)
Hey, fans. Yeah, sorry about this episode and in which we talk about the name and being a boring name. I actually don’t think that. I have a lovely friend named Ann.

AJ (02:38:12.393)
Right? Yeah.

AJ (02:38:18.144)
It isn’t. You can always spell it with an E like Anne of Green Gables. Yeah. And she, Anne also sent us an email and she says, hello, AJ and Tara. I just want to pop in and say, hello. I discovered this podcast a few months ago and instantly fell in love. I backtracked to the beginning and have now listened to every episode. Wow.

Tara (02:38:24.367)
In with an E. Yeah, exactly.

Tara (02:38:33.139)
awesome.

AJ (02:38:47.116)
That is, you did that fast. She she listened to the episodes in like a 1.5 speed. I wanted to wait till I got caught up before contacting you. I just joined Patreon and I’m currently listening to episode 287, Cards Against In-Death and Laughing My Ass Off.

Tara (02:38:48.064)
Wow! That is amazing!

Tara (02:39:11.469)
so funny

AJ (02:39:12.75)
It really was. Just a bit about me. I’ve been a long time Nora fan. I discovered in death when my daughter, seven years old at the time, now 28, bought me remember when for my birthday at seven. Wow. Because she recognized the author’s picture on the back cover.

I, I fell in love with Eve and the gang and immediately went out and bought naked. The rest is history. I recently finished framed and I’m eagerly waiting for, stolen. In the meantime, I’m listening to the series. Yay, Susan. And enjoying this podcast. thanks. Thanks for helping me feed the addiction. I have an idea for an episode.

Tara (02:39:54.356)
Yes. That’s right. Susan.

AJ (02:40:06.122)
I love nicknames, especially names that are only used by a select few. We all know that most people call Eve Lieutenant Dallas or Lieutenant Eve. We all know that most people call Eve Lieutenant Dallas or Lieutenant Dallas.

Tara (02:40:06.259)
Yes!

AJ (02:40:27.96)
Those are the same, but okay. But she has a few nicknames. Ror calls her darling Eve crack with his skinny white girl, Feeny’s kid. I would love to hear an episode regarding Eve’s nicknames. Thanks for listening. Why did she sing? thanks for listening to her ramble on. Yeah, thanks. You know, I think we’ve thought about that before. We just never have done that episode. So maybe we ought to think about doing that.

Tara (02:40:55.217)
That’s fun. I really like that.

AJ (02:40:56.75)
Yeah, that should be fun. And not just Eve, like they all have nicknames. So we could talk, we could just have one, you know, big episode about everyone’s nicknames.

Tara (02:41:08.915)
Yeah, that’s a really good idea.

AJ (02:41:10.774)
And we talked about every time Eve, I don’t know if this goes with that, but every time Eve says, that’s lieutenant such and such. She says it a lot.

Tara (02:41:20.755)
Well, and also people will like call her things and they’ll call her a bitch. Like, that’s the tenant bitch. And she does that stuff, it’s funny.

AJ (02:41:27.948)
Yeah, so.

Yeah, so I think we should do episodes on an episode on that. All of those.

what else? I think that’s it.

Tara (02:41:41.56)
yeah.

AJ (02:41:46.19)
We’ve Christmas coming up. We’ve talked about doing a Christmas episode. So we have to put that together, maybe do a Christmas episode. This is December 16th. let me look at the…

Tara (02:41:50.226)
Yes.

Tara (02:41:59.527)
next step so we record.

AJ (02:42:03.476)
yeah. Cause

Next week is the 23rd.

Tara (02:42:12.243)
Yeah.

So we’ll record that episode next week.

AJ (02:42:20.982)
Yeah. Are you open for Tuesday again?

Tara (02:42:26.707)
Monday or Tuesday.

works for you.

AJ (02:42:30.624)
Okay. It doesn’t really matter for me. So whatever works best for you.

Tara (02:42:37.501)
Probably Monday, actually.

I’ll double check. I think Monday might be better, but I’ll double check. I’ll let you know.

AJ (02:42:42.563)
Monday’s better? Okay.

AJ (02:42:49.048)
Tera.

The 25th is my niece’s 45th birthday.

Tara (02:42:58.213)
on Christmas.

AJ (02:42:59.726)
Yeah. I’m more, I’m more kind of thinking about her it being her 40, 45th birthday.

Tara (02:43:01.555)
Aww.

Tara (02:43:08.883)
You’re like, okay, but also 45th birthday.

AJ (02:43:11.598)
It’s her 45th birthday, Tara. I was 14 when she was born.

Tara (02:43:15.475)
That’s.

AJ (02:43:19.648)
Yeah, just about to turn 15. Yeah, and we have we have actually have video footage of that.

It was Christmas of 1980. And we have footage of the day they brought her home. We all went over there. So it’s like, my brothers and sisters, my mom and dad, you know.

the kids. I already had a nephew by the time. My nephew was born in 77.

Tara (02:43:57.988)
That’s but like it’s nice to have those that old footage, you know

AJ (02:44:03.214)
Yeah. Yeah. My dad was. Yeah. Oh, well, and my dad was always big with that. Like he always had a camera or a video camera or, you know, a movie camera. But at that time, he had bought a video camera and it was like it was we were one of the first people that I knew that had a video camera, like a home video camera. None of my friends parents had a video camera.

Tara (02:44:04.945)
You’re like, please don’t call it old.

Tara (02:44:34.003)
I remember my great aunt having a video camera when I was growing up and that was a big deal.

AJ (02:44:37.196)
Yeah.

Yeah. So, so yeah, it’s fun to think about that and how like young I was and skinny. I was super skinny.

Tara (02:44:47.037)
That is fun to think about.

AJ (02:44:55.768)
so.

Those were the days.

Tara (02:44:59.283)
a long time ago. No, was some days ago. 1980. I was not alive. Um, that’s okay. I was not alive. Not yet. 84.

AJ (02:45:04.472)
Ha ha ha.

You weren’t alive.

When were you born?

Mm, yeah. That’s right, I graduated high school that year. Yeah. Yes.

Tara (02:45:15.837)
So, so that’s, did you?

AJ (02:45:27.814)
Anyway, yeah. So we’re going to put together. Right. So we’re going to talk about we’re going to put together a Christmas show for you and then you’ll get that on the 27th, I think. And it’s perfect timing. And then, yeah. Well, we’ll figure out something after that. I don’t know.

Tara (02:45:28.936)
I’m the wife.

So we’re just over here talking about how old we are.

Tara (02:45:45.891)
good that’s perfect timing

Tara (02:45:58.909)
Review the reviews.

AJ (02:45:58.926)
Some review. Oh yeah, let’s review the reviews next after that. You know, for your New Year’s. So start the New Year off right with a review the reviews. I’m sure they’re going to be fantastic. And I have to make a note to myself to make sure I look for reviews that say the exact things that are in this book. Because that’ll be funny.

Tara (02:46:05.555)
I’m looking out.

I mean, that sounds like a great New Year’s.

Tara (02:46:18.225)
Yeah, there.

Tara (02:46:27.943)
That will be funny because those reviews absolutely exist. They exist. Yeah.

AJ (02:46:31.534)
They absolutely do. So anyway, okay. I guess that’s it for this episode of Podcasts and Death.

Tara (02:46:38.865)
That’s wild. We did good. We did good. Yeah. Lily is back there going, this is it for this episode of Podcasts and Death. Get off this call. Poor Lily.

AJ (02:46:47.52)
Yeah, right. She yeah, I mean, she has a hard life, right. So what’s going on? I can’t see my. So if you have a idea for an episode like and did, you can do what she did and send us an email at show at podcast and death.com.

Tara (02:46:54.483)
you

AJ (02:47:13.028)
you can go on any of our social medias. We’ve got the Facebook, we’ve got Instagram, we’ve got blue sky, we’ve got a tick tock. Facebook, they say that already. go on any of those and you can suggest an episode. call the number. The number is two zero five four seven six two seven five three. And that spells out two zero five four Roarke. See how I rattled that right off. Did you notice that? Yeah.

Tara (02:47:25.821)
think so.

Tara (02:47:39.443)
You did it. It was beautiful. I did.

AJ (02:47:42.51)
Um, and, uh, anything else you want to say to us? We’re here to, we’re here to listen. So, um, we, we do love emails. love emails. We love comments. Give us a five star review on, um, you know, Patreon or on Apple, I don’t know, whatever. Yeah. Because that really helps us, um, to get more people.

Tara (02:47:52.411)
Yes.

and we love, we just love emails, so.

Tara (02:48:05.575)
Whatever it is you listen, yeah.

AJ (02:48:13.102)
to listen. yeah, I guess that’s it for this episode of Podcasts in Death. So for Podcasts in Death, this is AJ.

Tara (02:48:19.443)
Okay.

Tara (02:48:25.681)
This is Tara.

AJ (02:48:27.274)
and we’ll see you next week guys.

Tara (02:48:29.767)
Bye guys.

AJ (02:48:34.188)
Bye.